Joe the plumber

[dragonrider]

Yep.. Obama makes fun of Joe the plumber in the link below; if you'd like I can find at least 3-4 other videos involving Obama and Biden also bringing him up JUST to make fun of him. "Who is John McCain fighting for? A plumber. <obama and crowd laughs>"

YouTube - Obama Mocks Joe the Plumber, Crowd Laughs

IS that really something funny? Is it funny to stand up for the people who have aspirations? Is it cool for Obama to make fun of people who want to make something out of themselves?

I think you are missing the point of that comment. It is not to make fun of Joe the Plumber the person, it is to make fun of the idea that McCain is fighting to help ordinary people as represented by Joe the Plumber. That is why Obama doesn't use his name --- he is repsonding to the idea not the person.

The point is that the question he posed, which is a valid question to MANY Americans regardless of the legality of the company of which Joe works for, is very real and needs a real answer.

I think the answer is already out there and has been hashed over many many times already. If you make over $250k, your taxes go up under Obama's plan. He didn't try to say anything different from that.

The point of Joe the Plumber is to imply that he is a real ordinary person who is going to be HURT by additional taxes on a person making over $250k a year. That part is the important lie (not the part about his not being licensed). He doesn't make that kind of money, has no immediate prospects of doing so, and would benefit from Obama's tax plan. For McCain, Joe was a way to fight the idea that higher taxes on people making over $250k a year would not hurt ordinary people. The problem is that the story is not true. If they want an example of an ordinary person who would be hurt by taxes over $250k, they should find a REAL one.

So I pose this question to you again, was Joe's question Valid in relation to Obama spreading the wealth. Who get's hurt worse here? Who's in the wrong here? The average working class who stands to gain a pitiful amount per month that is likely not going to cover much of anything (when looked at from a paycheck to paycheck basis) or this guy who asked a serious question to a Presidential Candidate?

Joe's question is valid if it is asked in a hypothetical way, but when he says, *I* am a plumber, *I* am looking to buy a business making $250k - $270k a year, *I* will be hurt by your plan, he introduces lies into his question to make a point that is not valid in his case.

And regrdoing the "spreading the wealth" answer, I think that was a bad answer, and did not state the case well at all. It was a dumb way to put it, and I'm sure he regrets it.

But to your question about the small amount each ordinary person is going to recieve from Obama's tax cuts, and whether that is enough benefit to justify the tax increases for those making over $250k, I don't think that is what the tax increases for those making over $250k are about. Those are to pay for the healthcare plan, energy plans, infrastructure plans, etc. Not to give everyone $40 bucks a month.

That was rhetorical.. I know what your round about answer will be.

That's kind of a condescending thing to say.

You miss the point. He uses Joe as an analogy for "the average joe". Joe was an average working class guy who aspired to be more; a feeling that many Americans can relate to. He can use the story all day long, what is really disturbing is how easily the media dismisses him and attacks him for something that was not the point of bringing him up.

You like many others miss the point of the question posed and I doubt that you will ever get it. The masses are too hung up on Joe himself instead of what the IDEA of joe represents. This is something that transcends Joe as a person. It's just unfortunate that he has to catch flack for this.

So yes, I do blame the media and democrats for being so blind and obtuse that they cannot realize what the true issue which IS IMPORTANT to many Americans and is and focusing on something irrelevant instead.

No. Wrong. YOU are the one missing the point. Joe is not being used as an ANALOGY, he is being used as an EXAMPLE. That is why it matters that his story does not add up --- and not the part about the legality of his business, which is an amusing side note ---I'm talking about the part about his income and his taxes. He is supposed to be an EXAMPLE of an ordinary person who will be hurt by Obama's tax plan. Turns out he is actaully an example of an ordianry person who will BENEFIT from Obama's tax plan. If they want an EXAMPLE of an ordinary person who would be hurt by taxes over $250k, they should find a REAL one.

There is nothing wrong with debunking a bogus example.