Joe the plumber

[daihashi]

Mr. Wurzelbacher was playing football in his front yard with his son, Joey, on Sunday afternoon when Mr. Obama made an unscheduled stop to go door to door greeting voters and asking for their support.

toledoblade.com -- 'Joe the plumber' isnâ??t licensed

Heaven forbid that you play football infront of your own house.. lest Barack Obama walk up to you.. you ask him a question.. and now you get attacked by the Democrats and the media.

Geez..

Everyone acts like there's some sort of conspiracy here. He lived on the friggin street Obama decided to go door to door campaigning on.

Guilt of operating without a license.. yes.. Guilty for asking a genuine question? No.

But to each his own; heaven forbid that someone ask Obama a question that he doesn't give a good answer to lest you be attacked by mindless drones.

[dragonrider]

toledoblade.com -- 'Joe the plumber' isnâ??t licensed

Heaven forbid that you play football infront of your own house.. lest Barack Obama walk up to you.. you ask him a question.. and now you get attacked by the Democrats and the media.

Geez..

Everyone acts like there's some sort of conspiracy here. He lived on the friggin street Obama decided to go door to door campaigning on.

Guilt of operating without a license.. yes.. Guilty for asking a genuine question? No.

But to each his own; heaven forbid that someone ask Obama a question that he doesn't give a good answer to lest you be attacked by mindless drones.

I'm not going to pretend Joe the Plumber is a legitimate issue, because he obviously is not. I completely agree with you there. This is a non-issue. But still McCain and Palin bring Joe the Plumber up every day in every speach, and have been doing so for six days straight. It will be a full week today if they bring it up again. I have never heard Obama or the Democrats bring him up once, have you? Ever? Even once?

It sounds like you are blaming Obama and the Democrats for bringing the spotlight on this guy, when it is the opposite. McCain is bringing the spotlight. Joe asked Obama a question and posed it in such a way that the question hinged on WHO HE SAID HE WAS, a plumber who wanted to buy a business that would make over $250,000 a year and thereby might be hurt by Obama's tax plan. And McCain and Palin have been promoting the story ever since. But the fact that none of the story Joe told is true invalidates the point he was making and the point McCain is making.

If McCain wants to put the spotlight on Joe's story every day for a week to make a political point, then it is not the Democrats' or the media's fault for checking if the story is true. Joe's real story does not support the point he was making, so it is perfectly valid to debunk it.

It's not a conspiracy -- it's just the McCain campaign making this guy into a pawn, which they really should not be doing.

[Immolation]

Who cares? I don't think thats the point.

I love how the media attacks this guy. It doesn't matter if "Joe the plumber" is a a registered plumber. The nickname was to cover and apply to your average working class Joe.

Thank You.He was Really Just a Guy asking a question.It is Wrong for the Media to go after this guy.He is Not a "Conservative Plant" by the Right Wing Conspiracy.Lets Focus on Mccain,Obama.:hippy:

[dragonrider]

Thank You.He was Really Just a Guy asking a question.It is Wrong for the Media to go after this guy.He is Not a "Conservative Plant" by the Right Wing Conspiracy.Lets Focus on Mccain,Obama.:hippy:

I'm sure if the McCain campaign would just let it go and stop referring to Joe the Plumber in every speach, this would all blow over in a day or two, and no one would ever bother Joe the Plumber again. I'm sure there is nothing the Obama campaign would like better than to focus on McCain and Obama like you said. Hopefully McCain will lay off Joe soon, and he can go back to his life.

[Psycho4Bud]

I'm not going to pretend Joe the Plumber is a legitimate issue, because he obviously is not.

Redistribution of wealth is a non-issue?:wtf:

Have a good one!:s4:

[texas grass]

Redistribution of wealth is a non-issue?:wtf:

Have a good one!:s4:

when taxes get raised on a person making 15-30k isnt that redistribution of wealth too.

well i know more people paying higher taxes with bush and the republicans that are making low pay. i like how the republicans think that taxing the rich is a redistribution of wealth, but taxing the poor isnt(or isnt talked about)


ill say this, if a person makes 1/4 million dollars a year they can afford a 3% tax increase no problem,

im a small business and the republican standard is hurting us and every big company i deal with daily. and obamas tax plan isnt goin to hurt me as much as mccains plan

[daihashi]

I have never heard Obama or the Democrats bring him up once, have you? Ever? Even once?

Yep.. Obama makes fun of Joe the plumber in the link below; if you'd like I can find at least 3-4 other videos involving Obama and Biden also bringing him up JUST to make fun of him. "Who is John McCain fighting for? A plumber. <obama and crowd laughs>"

YouTube - Obama Mocks Joe the Plumber, Crowd Laughs

IS that really something funny? Is it funny to stand up for the people who have aspirations? Is it cool for Obama to make fun of people who want to make something out of themselves?

Does no one find it unusual that this guy. Who is just an average guy.. an unlicensed plumber.. is getting more media attention than a man who bombed his own country and got off free on a technicality 30 years ago; whom Obama is friends with?

I find that a bit peculiar.

It sounds like you are blaming Obama and the Democrats for bringing the spotlight on this guy, when it is the opposite. McCain is bringing the spotlight. Joe asked Obama a question and posed it in such a way that the question hinged on WHO HE SAID HE WAS, a plumber who wanted to buy a business that would make over $250,000 a year and thereby might be hurt by Obama's tax plan. And McCain and Palin have been promoting the story ever since. But the fact that none of the story Joe told is true invalidates the point he was making and the point McCain is making.

I blame the democrats for jumping on the bandwagon and making fun of this guy. For ridiculing him publicly... and for the media trying to find anything they can on this guy. As seen previously.. if needed, posting false information to challenge his credibility as a PERSON!

That is dispicable.

The point is that the question he posed, which is a valid question to MANY Americans regardless of the legality of the company of which Joe works for, is very real and needs a real answer.

You have to this date failed to acknowledge this and much like the media seek to attack him on the premise of his legal status rather than the question posed. I don't deny the legality of his company and that he should not have lied about it BUT this does not change the question.

I seriously doubt you will ever acknowledge that or that Obama gave a pretty cruddy answer.

In another thread I did the math of Obama "spreading the wealth." and for most middle class Americans it came out to be $40/mo or $80/mo. Hardly spreading the wealth if you ask me.

So I pose this question to you again, was Joe's question Valid in relation to Obama spreading the wealth. Who get's hurt worse here? Who's in the wrong here? The average working class who stands to gain a pitiful amount per month that is likely not going to cover much of anything (when looked at from a paycheck to paycheck basis) or this guy who asked a serious question to a Presidential Candidate?

That was rhetorical.. I know what your round about answer will be.

If McCain wants to put the spotlight on Joe's story every day for a week to make a political point, then it is not the Democrats' or the media's fault for checking if the story is true. Joe's real story does not support the point he was making, so it is perfectly valid to debunk it

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You miss the point. He uses Joe as an analogy for "the average joe". Joe was an average working class guy who aspired to be more; a feeling that many Americans can relate to. He can use the story all day long, what is really disturbing is how easily the media dismisses him and attacks him for something that was not the point of bringing him up.

You like many others miss the point of the question posed and I doubt that you will ever get it. The masses are too hung up on Joe himself instead of what the IDEA of joe represents. This is something that transcends Joe as a person. It's just unfortunate that he has to catch flack for this.

So yes, I do blame the media and democrats for being so blind and obtuse that they cannot realize what the true issue which IS IMPORTANT to many Americans and is and focusing on something irrelevant instead.

It's not a conspiracy -- it's just the McCain campaign making this guy into a pawn, which they really should not be doing.

It is the media.. and the media is controlling the masses like mindless sheep, but I'd never expect you to understand it.

[daihashi]

when taxes get raised on a person making 15-30k isnt that redistribution of wealth too.

well i know more people paying higher taxes with bush and the republicans that are making low pay. i like how the republicans think that taxing the rich is a redistribution of wealth, but taxing the poor isnt(or isnt talked about)

That statement is completely false. Everyone ACROSS THE BOARD is paying lower taxes than they did in Clinton's administration or even Bush 41's administration. We are paying the lowest taxes we have in the last 16 years.

I challenge you to go look it up; my confidence in this statement is 100%.

ill say this, if a person makes 1/4 million dollars a year they can afford a 3% tax increase no problem,

You don't understand businesses then. The business makes 250k a year.. not the person. That 250k is used to grow the business; buy vehicles.. buy equipment.. that 250k is for the business. Salary is something seperate entirely; which the owner would pay himself a salary and not pull money out of the net profit of the company (if he's smart).

im a small business and the republican standard is hurting us and every big company i deal with daily. and obamas tax plan isnt goin to hurt me as much as mccains plan

I had something else written here but I'll let it go for the most part. I'll just say judging by your past statements I seriously question this. But this is your business and not that of the forums.

[daihashi]

In regards to your tax statement Texas_grass

The Tax Foundation - Comparing Income Taxes under Bill Clinton and George Bush

and if you don't believe me.. here are the actual tax tables over the years

The Tax Foundation - U.S. Federal Individual Income Tax Rates History, 1913-2008

[daihashi]

I had previously said we're paying the lowest taxes we have in the last 16 years.. I exluded the 2 terms Bush 43 has served.. if you include that then we are paying the lowest taxes we have in at least the last 24 years.