Quote Originally Posted by justanotherbozo
if you check his voting record i think you'll find he's been wrong on many,
many foreign policy issues. for example, he voted against the surge which
is the tactic that is winning in Iraq, something McCain is responsible for.

don't you think winning in Iraq is better than losing?
I'd hardly call putting a band-aid over a bullet hole a tactic thats gonna "win" Iraq. However, this cuts to the core of whats different between me and most people, which is VICTORY. Or rather, the impossibility of it. I'm personally incredulous that people really think we can somehow "win" in Iraq. What constitutes winning anyway? A stable government? Yeah fuckin right. I'll say this now; if, by some divine intervention, Iraq is stable and has a democratic government within the next two years, I'll stop smoking weed and leave this site permanently. Now I say this with the utmost confidence that it's total bullshit. You can't "win" in Iraq. You don't "defeat" terrorism. You don't beat an idea, which is FUCK AMERICA. But good luck with that.

Lastly, Obama had the better foreign policy procedure to begin with, I.E. not invading Iraq. Foresight is a blessing, not a curse. Being right now is reaaaaaally pointless when you're wrong to begin with.