mccain obama debate #3

[tmayu2]

haha the only thing that equals big goverment is the republican hack party i mean how can u say that the republicans will better our country after the last 8 years (the patriot act). 911. ron paul (i know hes republican but at least he tells the truth) is the one we need in office but ill settle for barrack obama ps not really retaining to this but if you havent seen it watch this video ITS WELL WORTH WATCHING. IT SHOWS U HOW BAD THE GOVERMENT REALLY LIES AND FUCKS US. Zeitgeist - The Movie

[8182KSKUSH]

This depends on one thing.
Did you "watch" the debate, or "listen" to it.
If you just watched it so you could drool over your lord Obama, regardless of what was said then you probably think Obama won, and would think that regardless of what was said.
If you actually "listened" to the words that were said and could comprehend them then obviously McCain owned him, all night.

Perfect example of Obama supporters is out on youtube now. Howard Stern had some schmuck go out and ask people who they support, and then when he found Obama supporters, he would have the schmuck say things like, "yeah, so you support him because of his pro-life position, and how he wants to finish the war in Iraq and win, and because he picked Sarah Palin as vp, and btw, do you think that she was a good choice for him.
And guess what, these "young and educated" democrats just agreed and re-inforced their "new" beliefs about Obama, all the while not knowing that they were agreeing with McCain's policies. LMFAO. I promise you some of those folks post here, and will claim Obama won that debate as well, going back to my point about "watching" as opposed to "listening" to the debate.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCcHzUmVP5c[/youtube]
YouTube - Howard Stern Interviews smart Obama supporters In Harlem (Just in case the embedded thing doesn't work here's the link. Enjoy.:wtf:

I especially like the fucking retarded lady that says that McCain seems "un-educated" and "doesn't have his facts". LMFAO

And yes, there is a stupid McCain supporter here as well in this clip just to be "fair and balanced", do note though, Stern says they only found 1 guy that supported McCain and that was as clueless as the numerous other "kool aide drinkers".

[JaySin]

This depends on one thing.


Perfect example of Obama supporters is out on youtube now. Howard Stern had some schmuck go out and ask people who they support, and then when he found Obama supporters, he would have the schmuck say things like, "yeah, so you support him because of his pro-life position, and how he wants to finish the war in Iraq and win, and because he picked Sarah Palin as vp, and btw, do you think that she was a good choice for him.
And guess what, these "young and educated" democrats just agreed and re-inforced their "new" beliefs about Obama, all the while not knowing that they were agreeing with McCain's policies. LMFAO. I promise you some of those folks post here, and will claim Obama won that debate as well, going back to my point about "watching" as opposed to "listening" to the debate.

You could do the exact same thing with a lot of McCain supporters. I actually have but did not video tape it and only do it to McCain supporters to strengthen my case against the opposition. He probably cut out the people that called him a fuckin retard for even asking trick questions like that. There are several McCain supporters I've had discussions with that DO NOT KNOW A DAMN THING when it comes to what either party stands for. They just go off of word of mouth and what they conjure from it is NObama. That kind of shit angers me no matter what side they support. You should support someone because you believe in their views, not just because the people you know say they are the better choice.

I just noticed that was the video, I'm going to watch it real quick and then add additional thoughts.

[JaySin]

Ok, here are my additional thoughts...

How many people did they talk to? You would have to talk to at least a hundred people to get a fair and balanced survey. Especially considering Obama appears to have more supporters. I would do anything to find some educated McCain supporters around here because so far the people I have talked to just blindly follow him for the most part. I want to find someone that can actually put up a good argument as to why I should vote for him over Obama. Yet, I have found a few people that are very educated on both of the candidates policies and supported Obama. I'm still not set in stone on who I will vote for, but I am definitely leaning towards Obama. Ever since the second debate I have been trying to push myself to agree with McCain; Although, nothing has come across to completely sway me to his side yet.

[daihashi]

I'd say you've got that backwards. McCain seemed to roll his eyes and show a lot more frustration when challenged than Obama did. The funny thing about what you said is I was talking the my mother yesterday, who I watched the debate with, and we were discussing how bad of a poker player McCain would be for just this reason. I personally thought that McCain put out a good effort, but Obama still took the win. What I cant stand about McCain is how tries to explain his ideas, it may be that he is simply a bad speaker, but everytime I listen to McCain I walk away feeling like I was just spoken to as if I were a child. McCain is a war hero, his policital stances dont lessen my respect for him in that regard, and sure he's a "maverick", but I just wish he wouldn't talk so much about how his opponent palls around with terrorist's, or is involved with voter registration fraud, and tell us SPECIFICALLY what he's going to do. His rhetoric sounds good too, because John McCain knows how to fix the economy, and John McCain knows how we can win in Iraq and Afghanistan, and John McCain knows how to creat jobs, and reliable alternative energy, and a newly structured housing market. But since his nomination I haven't heard him be very specific on how. Obama does this sort of thing too on occasion. However when Obama speaks, he speaks to the people in an inteligent and professional way. That shows me that not all American politics has turned into a game of deception and special intrests, also I feel that he will possess a much more respectable reputation along with more successful diplomacy. McCain lost the debate, and I hope the election, for just this reason. His campaign centers simply on how bad a president Obama would be, and they have been doing this by trying to expose the "real" Barack Obama. A person who die hard conservatives have created by using word manipulation on facts, and his ethnicity. Obama has better plans, a better head on his shoulders, and a better group of strategists. McCain is strongly supported by a large part of America that will never vote for Obama because of his "real" side. These ideas are enforced by both GOP candidates, and that's why these people say he is a secrete muslim who hates America and is ready to overthrow the government and destroy our nation from the inside in 3 weeks. This kind of ignorance baffles me, and at the same time shows us how some parts of this country are populated by ignorant people. Religion, race, and money are three things that dominate our government today. I want to raise my children in a country that is dignified and open enough to elect a president even if he was muslim. With that said, Obama won because he displays more professional and presidential qualities. I respect McCain, but my common sense leans towards Obama.

I never talked about McCain and how he looked. He was obviously being overly aggressive; but for him it worked as Obama was on the defense the entire time.

If you couldn't read Obama's body language then I would love to sit down at a table with you :hippy:

[maladroit]

the best thing about mccain's POW experience is that he does not support torture

hey jay, check out mccain's economic policy...that should help you decide

Understanding Supply-Side Economics

Supply-side economics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[dragonrider]

I hate to drop out now that we are getting into the "you made it personal," "No YOU made it personal" portion of our debate, but I've got a camping trip to get to. See you all next week!

where are ya going camping? car camping or back country camping?

sort've related.. I've only been camping once in my life and never gone again. I got lice that one time I went camping. I think I was about 12 years old. I'm sure I got it from another kid that was there.. but still; it left a bad taste in my mouth.


I do however like to go out to the lake and fish and cook out on an open fire.. RAWR!

after years of being trapped inside, my kids finally got old enough to sleep in a tent in a campground a few years ago...the first few trips were nightmares, but we kept at it until they got used to it and now camping trips are the highlight of their summers...we bought a 10 man tent at costo for $250...it's a piece of crap, but it's big enough to stand up in, and there's enough room for two queen sized air mattresses and all the backpacks/boots/clothes

cooking outdoors over the open fire, smoking pot, and drinking beer in the rainforest is AWESOME! it's too farking cold and wet now though, so i'm going to kallyfornia to throw some money at the US economy...i hope they still have beer and pot down there

It was just a short 2-night trip to a local CA state park, Mount Diablo State Park. It's a car camping site, but the idea was for everyone to take only the gear and food that we would use on a 2-night backpacking trip. One person on the trip wants to go backpacking but does not have a lot of experience, so she needed to do a gear shakedown trip to see if she has what she needs and can actually carry it all. I am not convinced. I think she has too much stuff to carry and not all of it the right thing that she actually needs. Also having the car there with a few things in it that were not in the pack, meant we could cheat a bit --- "I woulldn't carry all these axtra shirts, but since it's cold and it's in the car, I'll just put it on for now."

I just recently got back into backpacking after not having done it for about 10 years, and it took me a few short overnighters to remember how to trim down the load to the essentials. Now I think I have my gear worked out pretty well, and I am going again next week with a different group on a short Sierra overnighter. This other freind of mine needs to do some of these real reality-check overnighters to really test things out. She keeps wanting to plan a week-long backpacking trip without having even doen a real overnighter in which she carries her real gear kit! I'm not getting roped into anything like that!

I actually kickstarted my interest in backpacking again after participating in a few backpacking threads on this site. That got me thinking about it and how much I missed it, and then I met up with a few people who invited me on some of their trips.

Anyway, aside from the bogus nature of the gear shakedown, it was a very fun trip. The people are easygoing and fun. We had plenty of weed and booze. Weather was very nice. The terrain is steep and mostly scrub, small pine trees, and oak. We had a site with some shade, which was great. Mount Diablo is the most prominent mountain for miles around, so you have some GREAT views. The downside is that being on the mountain means any hike you do is steep.

One of the cool things we did was to watch a group of hanggliders take off. it was a group of 4. They would take off one at a time, and then circle in the thermal updrafts on the side of the mountain and pick up more and more altitude. I was listening to them talk before they took off and they were planning to go to a landmark that I think was probably about 40 miles away. But they had closer places where they could land as well. So they were going to go to each one in sequence, like stepping stones, check altitude and if they had enough altitude, they would go to the next one. It was cool to hear them planning the whole thing out.

The one hassle we had is that place is infested with raccoons. They started coming out in the afternoon, and kept coming back all night long. so you really had to be aware af putting things away. They stole a small stuff sack with a few snacks in it, and while we were lookig through the brush for that, we found all of these things that had been stolen from other campers in the past. I found a small sleeping bag in a stuff sack and we found a few garments as well. Daihashi, you mentioned lice, and that cracked me up because we were wondering what to do with the crap we found in the bushes, and someone said there was no way they would keep any of it because it was probably infested with lice.

Al right, enough about my camping trip! How about that debate?

[Dreadscale]

This depends on one thing.
Did you "watch" the debate, or "listen" to it.
If you just watched it so you could drool over your lord Obama, regardless of what was said then you probably think Obama won, and would think that regardless of what was said.
If you actually "listened" to the words that were said and could comprehend them then obviously McCain owned him, all night.

Perfect example of Obama supporters is out on youtube now. Howard Stern had some schmuck go out and ask people who they support, and then when he found Obama supporters, he would have the schmuck say things like, "yeah, so you support him because of his pro-life position, and how he wants to finish the war in Iraq and win, and because he picked Sarah Palin as vp, and btw, do you think that she was a good choice for him.
And guess what, these "young and educated" democrats just agreed and re-inforced their "new" beliefs about Obama, all the while not knowing that they were agreeing with McCain's policies. LMFAO. I promise you some of those folks post here, and will claim Obama won that debate as well, going back to my point about "watching" as opposed to "listening" to the debate.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCcHzUmVP5c[/youtube]
YouTube - Howard Stern Interviews smart Obama supporters In Harlem (Just in case the embedded thing doesn't work here's the link. Enjoy.:wtf:

I especially like the fucking retarded lady that says that McCain seems "un-educated" and "doesn't have his facts". LMFAO

And yes, there is a stupid McCain supporter here as well in this clip just to be "fair and balanced", do note though, Stern says they only found 1 guy that supported McCain and that was as clueless as the numerous other "kool aide drinkers".

Hi All !!! :thumbsup:

I LOVE IT!!!

But seariously, how many people did they have to interview to get this clip?

If it was 4 for 4 the world is in a bad place!!
If it was 500 to get 4 were not so bad then !!

He didn't bother to ask me or if he did I didn't make the clip.