Republican Empty Talk Continues to Sway the Gullible

[jsn9333]

Please correct me if I'm wrong. But another area (there are many) where Republicans say the right thing to get conservative and Christian votes but then do nothing is abortion.

Sure, all the Republican campaigns say they are "pro-life". Yet the three Supreme Court Justices "pro-life" presidents Reagan and Bush-1 appointed all voted to *uphold* Roe v. Wade in Casey v. Planned Parenthood (Justices O'Connor, Souter, and Kennedy I believe). And the two Justices Bush-2 appointed have both said and implied they would do the same (Alito implied it, Roberts outright said he would follow Roe as precedent). Yet millions of conservatives vote for these presidents because they believed they would take some sort of stand against abortion. Some polls show that as many as 10 million vote Republican on the abortion issue alone, seeking to have Roe. v. Wade overturned.

Don't take this to indicate what my views on abortion are. I just grew up in conservative Christian circles. Since I've gone to law school and studied the actual abortion cases, it amazes me that all these conservatives are still gullible (or ignorant) enough to believe what these republican campaigns spout concerning their "pro-life" stance. No republican administration has had the balls to demand the appointment of actual pro-life Justices to the Court. So what good is voting for them if you are conservative and abortion/Roe v. Wade is your main issue?

If you are a social conservative and abortion is a main issue for you, please don't vote republican thinking they do anything more then spout hot air. Instead, look to see what these men *really* do with your vote once the campaign is over.

jsn9333 Reviewed by jsn9333 on 10-01-2008. Republican Empty Talk Continues to Sway the Gullible Please correct me if I'm wrong. But another area (there are many) where Republicans say the right thing to get conservative and Christian votes but then do nothing is abortion. Sure, all the Republican campaigns say they are "pro-life". Yet the three Supreme Court Justices "pro-life" presidents Reagan and Bush-1 appointed all voted to *uphold* Roe v. Wade in Casey v. Planned Parenthood (Justices O'Connor, Souter, and Kennedy I believe). And the two Justices Bush-2 appointed have both Rating: 5

[Smudgeyboy]

The whole presidential election is a show, except it's bi-partisan empty talk, so they can accuse the other of it! You only have two choices and they all have the same bosses anyway.

Buzz words bullshit, none of them ever fix that fucking country! Obama's a CFR bitch, and McCain is Bush's bitch, I smell a new world

What's the story with everyone thinking Barack is the new JFK?
Yes, he went to the same places and copied his speech, it's so transparent.
He wont change anything, he'll just make America's problems even more global and invade Pakistan after the 'muslim' boogey men.

As for abortion, it's a big issue here too. It's not about making it legal or not, it's about spirituality, people dont even know they would love their kid or someone would, just dont kill it!

Sex isnt about recreation...ah, there's so many layers to the world's problems. They fucked us from every angle!

[jsn9333]

I agree the Dems aren't much better then the Republicans, but at least they tell you what bullshit they're going to pull. I'm so tired of the lies. You would think these 10 million people that keep electing Republicans on the abortion issue would see that after 5 Republican Supreme Court Appointments *strengthening* abortion rights, the Republicans just sold them a bunch of lies.

You say both parties have the same boss. I agree. But in another sense, the boss is us, the people. They can't get elected without us. If people would pay attention to the facts instead of the campaigns maybe they'd vote a little wiser.

My own feelings on abortion are that, the fact is, the birth control pills a lot of these religious conservatives take have the secondary effect of preventing implantation as a "second defense" anyway... so they probably have technically aborted before without even knowing it. I can understand supporting bans on later term abortions because that is just brutal considering how developed the baby is and that there is a good chance (s)he can feel pain, etc.. But if someone wants to take a birth control pill or a morning after pill or something like that, within weeks of finding out... I would think it would have to be more obvious at that point for the gov't to insist life has begun and intrude on their bodily privacy.

But anyway, I agree on the spirituality issue. Respect for life and children is a great thing. My main point is that people keep buying these lies the "pro-life" Republicans sell them. Why not just vote Democratic so you know what you're getting? Or vote third party for someone who seems to have it more right, like Ron Paul. These people keep voting for a proven lie.

I just don't get it. I get the feeling some of them even know it is a lie, but they feel so strongly about abortion they just have to vote for the candidate who says the right words even if they know it is a lie. How sad.

The whole presidential election is a show, except it's bi-partisan empty talk, so they can accuse the other of it! You only have two choices and they all have the same bosses anyway.

Buzz words bullshit, none of them ever fix that fucking country! Obama's a CFR bitch, and McCain is Bush's bitch, I smell a new world

What's the story with everyone thinking Barack is the new JFK?
Yes, he went to the same places and copied his speech, it's so transparent.
He wont change anything, he'll just make America's problems even more global and invade Pakistan after the 'muslim' boogey men.

As for abortion, it's a big issue here too. It's not about making it legal or not, it's about spirituality, people dont even know they would love their kid or someone would, just dont kill it!

Sex isnt about recreation...ah, there's so many layers to the world's problems. They fucked us from every angle!

[GoldenBoy812]

The views of the executive have overgrown its intedned purpose. I can be classified as classically liberal, which is on par with the founding of this country.

Taken from Mises.org:

In my daydream, the president is mostly a figurehead and a symbol, almost invisible to myself and my community. He has no public wealth at his disposal. He administers no regulatory departments. He cannot tax us, send our children into foreign wars, pass out welfare to the rich or the poor, appoint judges to take away our rights of self government, control a central bank that inflates the money supply and brings on the business cycle, or change the laws willy-nilly according to the special interests he likes or seeks to punish.

His job is simply to oversee a tiny government with virtually no power except to arbitrate disputes among the states, which are the primary governmental units. He is head of state, though never head of government. His position, in fact, is one of constant subordination to the office holders around him and the thousands of statesmen on the state and local level. He adheres to a strict rule of law and is always aware that anytime he transgresses by trying to expand his power, he will be impeached as a criminal.

But impeachment is not likely, because the mere threat reminds him of his place. This president is also a man of outstanding character, well respected by the natural elites in society, a person whose integrity is trusted by all who know him, who represents the best of what an American is.

The president can be a wealthy heir, a successful businessmen, a highly educated intellectual, or a prominent farmer. Regardless, his powers are minimal. He has a tiny staff, which is mostly consumed with ceremonial matters like signing proclamations and scheduling meetings with visiting heads of state.

The presidency is not a position to be avidly sought but almost granted as honorary and temporary. To make sure that is the case, the person chosen as vice president is the president's chief political adversary. The vice president therefore serves as a constant reminder that the president is eminently replaceable. In this way, the vice presidential office is very powerful, not with regard to the people, but in keeping the executive in check.

The rest of the article can be found at : An American Classical Liberalism