Obama / McCain Presidential Debate from Mississippi - 9/26/08

[dragonrider]

I know this commander in chief thing is very interesting, but did anyone else watch the DEBATE?

[Chronisseur]

I was thrown by some of the numbers that surfaced. The fact that Al-Quaida operates in 63 countries today and is as strong or stronger than they've ever been....WTF?

How have we won the war, if our enemies gained strength and we've lost it?

I think Barack Obama needs to NOT say stuff like ''well, John you're right...'' 142 times, and stand up like a man.

[apocolips31]

I played my bong game a little different. I took a hit every time Obama said McCain was right. Damn was I :stoned:! LOL

[dragonrider]

I think Barack Obama needs to NOT say stuff like ''well, John you're right...'' 142 times, and stand up like a man.

From a rhetorical point of view, it is probably a bad debate technique to say, ''well, John you're right...'' as much as he did. But each time that he started off that way, he ended by describing a differrence. I think it is gentlemanly to say things like, "I agree with you on this much, but this is where I disagree." That is the root of bipartisanship. McCain makes a lot of talk about being bipartisan, but he won't talk about points of common agreement --- makes you wonder how bipartisan he really is.

[JakeMartinez]

I'm going to school again and paying for it MYSELF out of money that I EARNED! IF you want something bad enough you figure out a way to get it...ever here of working your way through school?



"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003



Well, he still graduated and left the service one step behind a rear admiral. More than can be said about Obama who has stated that HE ALONE decides the mission.

Have a good one!:s4:

Like I said P4B, it was either bad intelligence or a forgery of evidence. So many people signed on to the idea because it would have been political suicide to not act tough on a country with weapons of mass destruction.

I know, P4B, but some people can't even afford to go WITH a job.

Like me. I scored a 28 composite on my ACT and desperately want to go to school but my dad and I can't afford to support ourselves while paying for it.

The president does have the power to do whatever he wants with the military, so Obama wasn't joking. At least he's shown his capability to listen to his advisers like when he went to Iraq.

[Chronisseur]

But each time that he started off that way, he ended by describing a differrence. I think it is gentlemanly to say things like, "I agree with you on this much, but this is where I disagree.".

It is a very effective communication skill to relate with someone by acknowledging their view, however, when it become redundant you just sound like a spineless pussy. Due to all the exposure to the 'Elitest' crowd, I think Obama tries too hard to make it known he's NOT one.

Honestly, I cant say either of them has earned my vote.

I'm afraid our political system will continue to fail us until we change its structure, not its constituents.

[JaySin]

Like I said P4B, it was either bad intelligence or a forgery of evidence. So many people signed on to the idea because it would have been political suicide to not act tough on a country with weapons of mass destruction.

I know, P4B, but some people can't even afford to go WITH a job.

Like me. I scored a 28 composite on my ACT and desperately want to go to school but my dad and I can't afford to support ourselves while paying for it.

The president does have the power to do whatever he wants with the military, so Obama wasn't joking. At least he's shown his capability to listen to his advisers like when he went to Iraq.

I am one of those people that can not fully afford school even though I have a job. I work my ass off and I even have a decent paying job. Yet, with the raising prices of EVERYTHING lately, I still can not afford schooling. I've paid off several credit cards and a few loans in the past few months. Yet even though I'm making a little more money and spending A LOT less on non-essentials, it seems like I'm worse off then I was back when I had a bunch of debt.

Just because you have the ability to afford school doesn't mean everyone has that luxury. Having money makes it easy to forget about the people that are struggling to make a living. Obama sees this problem and is willing to work with those people to help them make their way up instead of just pushing them further down like is currently happening.

McCain just wants to cut taxes for wealthy businesses. How will that help the little people out? It isn't. They will be too greedy to pass on the savings and will continue with what they are doing anyways. So the rich just continue to get richer and the poor get poorer. Not because of lack of motivation of the "poor", but because the conditions become harder for them because of what the government is doing.

McCains experience in the military holds no ground with me. He plays that card as often as possible. If he has so much "experience", why is it that Obama's views are much more effective in what they would accomplish? He realizes that we need to be smart with our forces instead of just attack whoever we do not agree with. That right there shows that his lack of "experience" means nothing, because he has the intelligence to realize that most of what we have done with the current wars has hurt our reputation around the globe. He realizes that we need to re-establish our reputation instead of continue to tarnish it with wars that did not or do not need to happen.

Obama also realizes that we need to look at why we are in Iraq and how it affected us by going there. Ignoring that like McCain wants to do is not a very good way to come up with a credible solution for what to do from here.

Obviously, Obama DOES understand.

[SnSstealth]

It is a very effective communication skill to relate with someone by acknowledging their view, however, when it become redundant you just sound like a spineless pussy. Due to all the exposure to the 'Elitest' crowd, I think Obama tries too hard to make it known he's NOT one.
Honestly, I cant say either of them has earned my vote.
I'm afraid our political system will continue to fail us until we change its structure, not its constituents.

Well said....
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