BREAKING NEWS! McCain is suspending his campaign and is asking Obama to do the same!

[allrollsin21]

"As callous as it sounds that situation was not nearly as Critical as the one we're in right now as this 700 billion effects the nation on a whole"




The above statement is ludicrous. People lost their homes and lives in Katrina. One person losing their life is as important as this whole country potentially collapsing. Thats what most people don't understand, as that one life is not more important than another. Thats why the Iraq situation in pure evil, becvause if one civilian dies than any goodness in the cause dies. Why is my "homeland security" more important than any ordinary iraqi or afghani's? Its not, ya'll just think it is.


Daihashi you speak of other condescending tones and yet all your posts these days are angry and aggressive. Chill out man. I know i have heard it from you before you dont care enough to get angry...yet you sure act it.


I watched C-span for most of yesterday and the hearings on the bailout. McCain and Obama can add nothing to this that they have not already, except their vote. They both plan on doing this, so whats the problem. The Committee is coming up with the plan. The others vote. You need not back up every desperate move your party makes. Its Ok :jointsmile:

[killerweed420]

Personally I think the American public is just being manipulated again. They have blown this whole bailout out of proprtions. If they allowed fannie mae,freddie mac and aig to collapse it wouldn't have that big of an effect on the public or the property owners. The mortgages would be sold off to some other compnay. Other insurance companies would buy up the assets of aig. Would it effect the stock market? Absolutely. But the stock market should crash and burn. Its just legalized gambling. Does nothing to help the people of America other than to promote greed. You would have thought after the great depression people would have wized up about the stock market. But greed seems to be deeply inbedded in the American phsyche now adays.

[dragonrider]

My quote:

How do you think this stuff works? Do you think all 100 senators sit together in a room working things through together? Do you think nothing gets done if one of them is not in the building? No. Party leadership from both sides canvass their membership on what is acceptable to each and what they want, and then it gets hashed out in committee. If a compromise is necessary, they contact everyone to see how they will vote. NEITHER ONE OF THESE MEN HEADS OR SITS ON A RELEVANT COMMITTEE. As long as they are in contact with their party leadership, they don't need to be there, except to vote. They certainly do not need to supend their campaigns.

Your response:

I actually found the beginning of this paragraph condescending. I'm not stupid. Fact is we pay them with our tax dollars, this is a critical situation not a vote for getting some money to throw the White Sox a party for winning the world series.

If congress goes into an extended session then yes, I think they will have to suspend their campaigns. I'm sorry but to pull an argument from the left, they are running for president and this is something a president will have to addres correct? So why is it ok for Obama not to show up or stay in Washington if an extended session is called for?

Don't talk to me as if I'm ignorant again.

Daihashi, are you out of smoke? You seem to be getting a little bit "prickly." I never called you stupid or ignorant. I was giving you crap because you keep insisting McCain needs to be in Wshington in order to do his job, but you are actually SMART ENOUGH to know that is not the case. If I thought I was just talking to an idiot who couldn't be expected to know any better, I wouldn't bother. But you do know better.

You are so eager to trash the other side you don't even see what's important.

Ha ha! I'm not eager to trash McCain! I'm just very disappointed in him for playing a political stunt with something that is important. I do see that this is important --- it's too important to be playing games with it.

Like you said, what's he going to do? He's just 1 man currently who's not President. Same as Obama. Make up your mind... is McCain important enough to sway and delay the process in which a couple of hundred people are involved or is he just another one of the group?

You can't have it both ways. Pick a stance.

Are you kidding me? I'm not trying to have it both ways. I said he doesn't need to be there, and his presence will be a distraction and a disruption. How is that having it both ways? It's like not wanting a 3-year-old help you paint the kitchen --- "How can you say he's not helpful? If he's big enough to spill paint on the floor, then he's big enough to do the trimwork. You can't have it both ways!" Ridiculous. Just because McCain is important enough to cause a disruption does not mean he is necessary to a solution.

I criticize you for being overly biased and obtuse to a situation that is critical to all Americans and a situation that every elected politician should currently being in Washington trying to address.

And I criticise you for being biased as well and obtuse to the fact that McCain does not need to call for a suspension of the campaign and a delay to the debates in order to do his proper role, which is to wait for a negotiated deal between the House and Senate party leaders and the White House, and then go vote on it. You are being obtuse to the fact that this campaign suspension is a stunt. McCain wants you to believe that he is necesary to a solution so that you will think he is more important than he really is, and you apparently DO believe that.

I've yet to see an explanation of Substance from anyone here on Obama's side.

I guess you can dismiss my explanation as not having "substance" if you want. I thought I explained it well enough. Most people seem to understand it.

All I've seen are people defending Obama but not explaining.

Actually, there is not a lot of "defending Obama" going on here, because so far there hasn't been much criticism of Obama --- nothing to defend him over. He is both doing his job as Senator and running a very effective campaign, so what is to criticise? What is to defend? The thread is mostly about criticism and defense of McCain.

As for "not explaining," no one has explained exactly what McCain intends to do while the election is on hold and he is in Wshington. The argument is he is going to "do his job" and "deal with the crisis." But what exactly? He deosn't have a seat at the negotiations, so what the hell is he going to do that he couldn't do from anywhere in the country? If word comes down that there is going to be a vote, he will have time to get back, so he does not need to be there. As far as I can tell, the Senate leadership has NOT wanted him there. I've seen leaders on both sides say these two should keep out, and the deal is almost done.

Unless people have an explanation with substance in it.. I will not be participating in this thread any longer.

Maybe you should step out for awhile --- seems like you are getting a bit worked up and emotional.

[phatsesh101]

i wish theyd let it crash so we can have a great turn about in money and power. just think small business might make a comeback wed have to produce our own goods so we wouldnt be just a consuming coutry we might actually start producing stuff again especially with everthing coming out of china with some sort of death sentance on it. and the potential of immigrant slave labor we could be back and running in ten years maybe

[Reefer Rogue]

Mccain should go along with the debates, this is the time when the American people deserve to see and hear their candidates speak about this econmoic situatuin as well as financial and other issues.

[DaBudhaStank]

After McCain himself admitted he has a very limited understanding and grasp of economics, he now believes that he and Obama will have a drastic effect on getting this thing fixed. I don't get it. What has made him so qualified all of a sudden to even have anything useful for imput? Will his candidicy make Republicans listen to him more and work with the Democrats to pass this (absoulutely absurd) proposal? If so, that's not suspending his campain, that's just using it and not acting as a senator.

Neither McCain or Obama can add even the slightest benefit to this push, except their votes. I doubt this will come down to two votes either. It'll either fail miserabley or pass with a large margin. Neither one knows dick about the economy, that's why we have so many damn reps and senators, because everyone has a better understanding of something than other people. Economics is neither of theirs. I don't personally give a fuck about the economy right now. Know why? I have no say in it and it doesnt matter what I think. It'll affect me, but not thanks to Obama or McCain. At all. I wanna know what they have to say. I wanna see how they debate and get their points across. It'll be all well and good if we get this crisis situated soon, but how much will it matter when we have a new president who doesn't know shit about what to do with the rest of the country?

McCain needs to do or say something that makes me feel like he knows what he's talking about. This aint it.

[daihashi]

Maybe you should step out for awhile --- seems like you are getting a bit worked up and emotional.

I'll be sure to get right on that. Because you impact my life so much :hippy::hippy:

[daihashi]

"As callous as it sounds that situation was not nearly as Critical as the one we're in right now as this 700 billion effects the nation on a whole"




The above statement is ludicrous. People lost their homes and lives in Katrina. One person losing their life is as important as this whole country potentially collapsing. Thats what most people don't understand, as that one life is not more important than another. Thats why the Iraq situation in pure evil, becvause if one civilian dies than any goodness in the cause dies. Why is my "homeland security" more important than any ordinary iraqi or afghani's? Its not, ya'll just think it is.

Look at it from a logistical standpoint instead of one of compassion. Logistically Katrina will not impact America fiscally nearly as much as the 700 billion dollar bail out.

Compassion has nothing to do with the logistical truth.

Daihashi you speak of other condescending tones and yet all your posts these days are angry and aggressive. Chill out man. I know i have heard it from you before you dont care enough to get angry...yet you sure act it.

Show me an angry remark other than asking peope to post something explaining Obama's refusal to do his job. No one here has to comply and no one here has answered. If this is angry to you then so be it. You must know a bunch of angry people in your life.

I watched C-span for most of yesterday and the hearings on the bailout. McCain and Obama can add nothing to this that they have not already, except their vote. They both plan on doing this, so whats the problem. The Committee is coming up with the plan. The others vote. You need not back up every desperate move your party makes. Its Ok :jointsmile:

This post was about McCain. It was everyone that came in here to attack a party. I hardly saw anyone standing up for the opposition. Am I not allowed to be one of the few people who will voice the other side?

Heaven forbid I say something that contrasts with what everyone else here is siding with in order to try to give insight from the other side.

But I guess this is to be expected; after all this is a cannabis forum and as such it's anticipated that majority of all posters here would be liberal. Cannabis and liberalism tend to go hand in hand.

Sorry that you don't like me showing you a perspective from the other side. How you take my posts is not my problem. It's perception; just the same way I perceive many of other users posts on this forum. My problem if I interpret wrong.. not yours and vice versa.

[daihashi]

Mccain should go along with the debates, this is the time when the American people deserve to see and hear their candidates speak about this econmoic situatuin as well as financial and other issues.

The debates won't even allow candidates like Bob Barr, or Ralph nader or any other candidates that wish to participate and show the American people what they are about. Do you honestly believe that the debates will be an accurate depiction of what these two have to offer?

Granted something is better than nothing but historically the debates have never been fair in who they allow to participate. In that regard I would like to see the debates but honestly could care less as the commission that heads over the debates seem to have an agenda of their own if they won't allow anyone except major party candidates in.

Maybe people would vote for a third party candidate if they got to debate, but they won't and we will never get to see these people slug it out with our supposed top two best choices.. McCain and Obama; neither of which is the best decision for the country IMO. I'd be interested in hearing from the others but we never will. In 2000 they fought tooth and nail to deny Ralph Nader into the debates. They would not even allow Nader to view the debates.

Something is up there.

[dragonrider]

Unless people have an explanation with substance in it.. I will not be participating in this thread any longer.

Maybe you should step out for awhile --- seems like you are getting a bit worked up and emotional.

I'll be sure to get right on that. Because you impact my life so much :hippy::hippy:

Dude! Welcome back! I am glad you found "substance" here!

Show me an angry remark other than asking peope to post something explaining Obama's refusal to do his job. No one here has to comply and no one here has answered.

Obama is doing a GREAT job right now. He went to Washington for the big White House confab on the crisis. He had a CNN interview directly following the meeting to explain what he has been doing regarding this crisis and to describe his take on the meeting. He's staying in touch with Paulson every day no matter where he is. He is in constant contact with his party leadership involved in the negotiations no matter where he is. He will be ready for any vote when the time comes and will come back from wherever he is. He's doing his best to keep presidential politics OUT of these delicate negotiations. And at the same time that he is doing all of this work relating to the financial crisis, he has managed to do all of this while not suspending his campaign! He can do all this at the same time! McCain must be amazed at how Obama can do both at once!

Obama is also doing his job of getting ready for the debates tomorrow! He will be there and be ready to go!

What has McCain been doing? You say no one has answered your question about what Obama is doing, and I have done so for you. But you have not answered my question to you about what McCain is doing. You said he has gone back to "do his job." But what exactly? He's suspended his campaign, so I hope he is making good use of his time.