Reports: Fifth-grader suspended over anti-Obama shirt

[flyingimam]

I can find a way to link Obama and terrorists preferring him and I'll do it if you ask me. It doesn't matter how solid it is as it would be an open debate... which in essence would throw defamation out the window.

Terrorists may prefer many things, including our lovely CEOs and financial crunch. Are our CEOs connected to terrorists as well now? if yes then i have no point debating on this issue anymore.

It basically doesn't matter how flimsy it is. It's pretty much been determined that you can say anything you want about a person in the public spotlight without having to worry about it.

I somewhat agree with this statement, "practically" thats how it is. But technically it's otherwise and if u got a good case, u can make an exception to the usual flow.

Why are you so defensive. I simply posted a supreme court ruling. I'm sorry but your argument for defamation is invalid. It's as simple as that.

I was just trying to clear the point u probably may have missed in your own post, check at the bottom of your quote:

A public official or other plaintiff who has voluntarily assumed a position in the public eye must prove that defamatory statements were made with knowledge that they were false or with reckless disregard of whether they were false.

If u please, u may view it at being defensive, however u like it. but then again thats part of a debate, people try to defend their stance using whatever source, evidence or backup that they have. Call my argument invalid, the law says otherwise and u can check again to understand my point, i merely copied the same ruling from a different source and here u have it from ur own quote man.

I never have any harsh feelings debating these stuff:rastasmoke:

A child in school has no right to "insist" on wearing anything - especially regarding politics. Try insisting on wearing a political button, much less a T-Shirt, to many jobs and see how long you last until they show you the door. What the hell are these kids being told by their elders?

Each new generation of parents gets worse than the previous one.

It's no wonder the whole country is going to hell in a handbasket.

agreed. Even though I might not personally like this, but schools have their own rules and believe it or not freedom of speech the way we think of it, is a bit limited there.

reminds me of "what would jesus bong" and that wasnt even on school property. just during a school program. and that would be something protected under normal freedom of speech but students got disciplined over it and apparently the law was on school's side.

[jaytug]

Each new generation of parents gets worse than the previous one.

What could this quote possibly mean? Honestly. Haven't you ever been at a family gathering, and somebody's great-whatever goes off on an embarrassing tangent about "colored people"? By most accounts -- like, you know, history books -- the good ol' days really weren't that good, not only because of less advanced science and medicine but also because of bigoted, ridiculous views on life and philosophy, amazingly even MORE ridiculous than what is common believed today.

[Reefer Rogue]

He should've been able to wear the shirt, school censorship is ridiculous.

[Breukelen advocaat]

What could this quote possibly mean? Honestly. Haven't you ever been at a family gathering, and somebody's great-whatever goes off on an embarrassing tangent about "colored people"? By most accounts -- like, you know, history books -- the good ol' days really weren't that good, not only because of less advanced science and medicine but also because of bigoted, ridiculous views on life and philosophy, amazingly even MORE ridiculous than what is common believed today.

If each generation has been getting better, then life must have been unbearabe in the not-so-distant past. This negates any concept that the character of people is constantly improving. The opposite is true.

[texas grass]

Wonder if there would have been a suspension for a Pro-Obama shirt?

most likely not.

but if he were wearing a death metal tshirt or any other type of tshirt with a politically incorrect statement they would have been suspended too

[Markass]

A child in school has no right to "insist" on wearing anything - especially regarding politics. Try insisting on wearing a political button, much less a T-Shirt, to many jobs and see how long you last until they show you the door. What the hell are these kids being told by their elders?

Each new generation of parents gets worse than the previous one.

It's no wonder the whole country is going to hell in a handbasket.

if you actually think the reason this country's going to shit is because of parents, you need to open your eyes just a little bit more..

[daihashi]

I was just trying to clear the point u probably may have missed in your own post, check at the bottom of your quote:

You really don't understand. It doesn't have to be true.. but it can't be flat out false. If you can find a way to link it then you are allowed to post it. Again it can be argued that he would become a terrorists best friend. This becomes an opinionated debate. Which in the eyes of the court are valid.

Don't believe me? Feel free to look through countless defamation cases. I am not going to go through it for you as I am not the one trying to prove or defend anything. I simply stated a fact.

If u please, u may view it at being defensive, however u like it. but then again thats part of a debate, people try to defend their stance using whatever source, evidence or backup that they have. Call my argument invalid, the law says otherwise and u can check again to understand my point, i merely copied the same ruling from a different source and here u have it from ur own quote man.

No... the law says it's invalid, you really have a misunderstanding. Perhaps you should take time out and review the entire case instead of making empty remarks.

reminds me of "what would jesus bong" and that wasnt even on school property. just during a school program. and that would be something protected under normal freedom of speech but students got disciplined over it and apparently the law was on school's side.

Last I checked Obama wasn't a religious figure; which we clearly have a seperation of in our schools. But nice try at the comparison.

[daihashi]

if you actually think the reason this country's going to shit is because of parents, you need to open your eyes just a little bit more..

Wow.. that's all I have to say to the blind man above.

[TheMetal1]

I'm not sure if Constitutional Rights are relevant when the elementary school has "Improper Dress" guidelines in place. Many K-8 and even K-12 schools will not allow ANY type of clothing that will disrupt the class and expose the other students to lost learning time. This goes for anything with vulgarity, profanity and revealing shorts/skirts on girls. I mean, it would be Freedom of Expression for a student to sit in class with a shirt that says "I'm with Boner!" (with an arrow pointing downstairs :rasta... but how much ruckus do you think that would bring a classroom? Haha

But yeah... I'm pretty sure that most schools in CO do have that improper dress code. Faculty is allowed to determine if a piece of clothing will disrupt the learning environment for everyone. They didn't say he had to throw it away. Just change it, turn it inside out... or go home. He was still allowed to choose

Besides... he probably thinks he's sooo badass now for getting suspended :stoned:

[DaBudhaStank]

He should've been able to wear the shirt, school censorship is ridiculous.

He should learn who Obama is and what terrorists are first. Kid probably cant even read the word "terrorist".