Press pissed off @ Palin

[flyingimam]

hey p4b whats shakin

theyre all assholes in my book this time around photo op, no photo op, press or no press.(i did like mcain till he picked a bullets and bible conservative to run with him , hell he should have picked falwell) but anyway like ive stated before wouldnt it be so nice if nobody voted for either party? we gave all these lousy politicians a huge pink slip with there next paycheck?maybe then they would get the message that as a people we are tired of bein screwed at every turn. i mean come on were all a pretty much inteligent group of stoners here( even tho i cant spell worth a shit) cant we all ban together and maybe start a movent of the write in vote of NO CONFIDENCE? a non violent revolution to bring around the changes that will benifit all americans. not just a few.

"Fun game, these hypotheticals. Keeps me alive in the trenches."

-Stan Smith

IF is a very powerful and meaningful word.
I wish a mass boycott of ANYTHING was possible in America. I don't even see that in my dreams.

Last time we had a boycott of French goods, they ended up with more sales than before in US market as far as I know.

[painretreat]

Maybe the press can press the ballots with no parties and let us pick the 2 we like the best and mix up the parties (like we do with Gov. & Lt. Gov. in Cali.)! Would be interesting.

I saw that on CNN or Larry King and felt, it was definitely done for photo ops to show her with other heads of states! NO more no less! Since, the most critical comment I've heard is; she doesn't even know any or hasn't even met any.

Frankly, the biased press is making me sick. Sick as we were when abortion was totally illegal and many died or ruined for life getting them! Palin makes me like McCain even more and her less! pr :rastasmoke:

[dragonrider]

Just remember now Dragonrider...when a member plays a lil' spoof like this on Obama don't ya be getting all upset. LOL

Have a good one!:s4:

Ha ha! I'd love to see a decent spoof-off. I love stuff like the Daily Show and SNL, and it doesn't matter to me which side they are skewering as long as it is topical, funny, and not offensively mean spirited. I watched SNL through Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43, and now I'm watching them with this election, and I think all the political stuff is great. I started with the Daily Show near the end of Clinton's term and have been watching it since. They are pretty much equal opportunity spoofers.

The thing with Palin is that by hiding her the way they do, they invite the speculation. I just took it to the ridiculous extreme. Maybe if they let her out of the cocoon, she could hold her own. Or maybe she would make a fool of herself just like they are afraid she will.

[JakeMartinez]

seeing as how she is Governor and not VP I feel it would be inappropriate to throw her into a diplomatic situation. That is not her role yet...

Just as I felt it was inappropriate for Obama to do the same and pretty much act as if he were president.

Anyone remember the seal Obama used, it was a mock of the official presidential seal. How do you think foreign officials feel about talking to someone who has no actual authority to do something. Do you honestly believe they want to talk to a governor? Or a fresh Senator from Illinois?

Obama played the media and Palin realizes that this is pointless for the moment. Although I would like to see her in a question and answer or a debate forum

offtopic: Found this video of Biden.. seems like a real nice guy <sarcasm>! Also nice to see that he's magically grown hair over the years

YouTube - 1988 Road to the White House with Sen. Biden

First, the fact that these people could soon be world leaders is enough for fellow leaders to talk to them. In all honesty, as a leader, it'd make more sense to talk to any one of the candidates over president Bush because he has all of 4 months left as president.

Second, McCain also went overseas for photo-ops and speeches, albeit the speeches were smaller scale. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me.

Third, senators SHOULD talk to foreign leaders just as much as presidents because, collectively, they DO make up 1/3 of our government. The Executive branch is not the be-all end-all branch. It is supposed to serve under Congress, and Congress under the Judicial branch.

The only out of place person in this race is Palin who hasn't even served one full term as governor and as for being the mayor of a small town, that doesn't even compare to being President. At least Obama, McCain, and Biden have had a few years on the hill. They should know more about the duties of a president than a person who, up until a year or so ago, was the elected leader of a grand city with a whopping 7,000 people.

Those videos posted earlier about Obama pulling the race card sounded much more harmless to me than they were made out to be on even liberal media outlets. I would have said the same thing if I were a half black man named Barack Hussein Obama running against a man who spent a good portion of his life in the era of segregation. It wasn't a smart political move, imo. Oh well.

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[JakeMartinez]

Maybe the press can press the ballots with no parties and let us pick the 2 we like the best and mix up the parties (like we do with Gov. & Lt. Gov. in Cali.)! Would be interesting.

I saw that on CNN or Larry King and felt, it was definitely done for photo ops to show her with other heads of states! NO more no less! Since, the most critical comment I've heard is; she doesn't even know any or hasn't even met any.

Frankly, the biased press is making me sick. Sick as we were when abortion was totally illegal and many died or ruined for life getting them! Palin makes me like McCain even more and her less! pr :rastasmoke:

Sorry about double post but I don't know how to multiquote.

Just keep in mind that if anything happens to McCain during his presidency, Palin will act as president until he's well enough to return. That's why it's important the vice president at least be close to the same level as the president.

[allrollsin21]

"Assnine comments; you mean like meeting a Dictator with no preset conditions"


wow i think i have heard that on Fox News. Common sense just SCREAMS to me that it is completely appropriate to meet with dictators with NO preset conditions. Are they aloud to conjure up there own preset conditions for the US to abide by? I didn't think that was the case. My country needs to take a step back and stop acting superior. All this change talk, it sure seems like this would be a reasonable one.

[Psycho4Bud]

hey p4b whats shakin

theyre all assholes in my book this time around photo op, no photo op, press or no press.

Somebody has some good rep waiting....couldn't have said it better myself.:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

[daihashi]

First, the fact that these people could soon be world leaders is enough for fellow leaders to talk to them. In all honesty, as a leader, it'd make more sense to talk to any one of the candidates over president Bush because he has all of 4 months left as president.

But they aren't... and neither one of the candidates are in office yet. Jimmy Carter wasn't president when he gave north korea nuclear weapons.. look what a mess that was

Second, McCain also went overseas for photo-ops and speeches, albeit the speeches were smaller scale. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me.

He didn't go and have any in depth political conversations or negotiations like people seem to want to have Palin doing. It's not her place to do it. She is not the VP. Although many Obama supporters would like to think he's entitled to do this because they would like to believe he's already president, fact is that he is not and moving forward prematurely is just stupid.

Third, senators SHOULD talk to foreign leaders just as much as presidents because, collectively, they DO make up 1/3 of our government. The Executive branch is not the be-all end-all branch. It is supposed to serve under Congress, and Congress under the Judicial branch.

Congress is the check and balance to the executive office; in additions they do have a foreign policy committee that senators do participate in; One of those People being Ron Paul, Last I checked neither Palin or Obama are on this committee. Neither one of them are suited to talk to foreign leaders on our relations at the moment. Again; it's stupid for them to act prematurely.

The only out of place person in this race is Palin who hasn't even served one full term as governor and as for being the mayor of a small town, that doesn't even compare to being President. At least Obama, McCain, and Biden have had a few years on the hill. They should know more about the duties of a president than a person who, up until a year or so ago, was the elected leader of a grand city with a whopping 7,000 people.

Obama doesn't have any executive experience; the office of Governor is an Executive office. In terms of years in politics Obama has her beat out MARGINALLY! So if you REALLY want to get down to it Palin would have a better understanding about the duties of a president than any of the Presidential candidates or Biden for that matter.

Those videos posted earlier about Obama pulling the race card sounded much more harmless to me than they were made out to be on even liberal media outlets. I would have said the same thing if I were a half black man named Barack Hussein Obama running against a man who spent a good portion of his life in the era of segregation. It wasn't a smart political move, imo. Oh well.

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Uhh.. Seeing as how no one.. NO ONE has made barack Obama's race an issue.. or his name.. I do not see it as harmless, but then again you are probably the exact type of person he was trying to attract.

When you are indirectly calling a person or a party a racist, that is anything but harmless.

But then again people who think this is harmless probably share the same set of ethics and morals. :thumbsup:

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[daihashi]

She is not there as a governor. She is there as perhaps a presumptive and potential VP of this country in near future.

Really? because I thought that you had to visit as a seated Governor, Senate or whatever your position was. That you couldn't use your trips as a political tool for your candidacy. :thumbsup:

Even then you seem to have a misunderstanding, let's say that she's there as a potential VP. It's still not her place to hold in depth political conversations with foreign leaders. She is not yet in a position to be making any promises to them or decisions. Neither is Obama.

This trip is not a Governor delegation, She is there to Boost her foreign policy credentials as a potential US VP!!!!

Really? Is that your interpretation or is that what she said?

and none of this has to do with Obama's seal thing. stop changing the subject. I for one do my best to stay neutral and factual and unbiased. I defend some1 of any side if they deserve the defense and i do my best to use a valid defense line.

It's very relevant and you are taking this personally. Fact is that Obama has been acting as if he has won the presidency for some time now. He had no right to go overseas. He is running for the United States of America. When he has won the office then he can go overseas and meet with all the leaders and give all the speeches he wants.

I've yet to see you defend McCain or Palin on some issues that were just plain stupid to even talk about. Please don't act as if you are unbiased. Fact is that you are getting upset that I am bringing to light facts that cannot be denied.

I don't see Palin displaying the same arrogance as Obama. She knows she has not won the seat yet and will not act on it until she has.

Not every counter attack is considered an acceptable defense. it will only escalate the discussion from a debate to an argument. That said, some counter attacks are relevant and fair game.

What was the point of this?

trust me, they dont give a rats ass about such a thing. unless that is the person whose gonna be the next top man or woman in the country. so I bet both of these 2 people (Obama & Palin) are treated the same.

Apparently you do, you are trying adamantly to defend Obama here when I simply used him in comparison to Palin. You say you don't care? Really seems as if you do. :hippy:

[dragonrider]

Jimmy Carter wasn't president when he gave north korea nuclear weapons.. look what a mess that was

Wow, are you sure Jimmy Carter gave north Korea nuclear weapons? How did he even get ahold of one if he wasn't president? Hell! They'v got the wrong man in custody! A Q Khan only gave them the plans! It was Jimmy Carter who gave them an actual BOMB!

He didn't go and have any in depth political conversations or negotiations like people seem to want to have Palin doing. It's not her place to do it. She is not the VP.

No one is expecting her to have in depth conversations or negotiations. She has no role to negotiate on behalf of the US, and everyone knows that. That is not the issue. The issue is that her campaign has promoted the event as something significant, and then tried to manipulate the press into playing along.

Really? because I thought that you had to visit as a seated Governor, Senate or whatever your position was. That you couldn't use your trips as a political tool for your candidacy. :thumbsup:

You don't have to be anyone to go to New York. Millions of people go to New York every year who are neither office holders nor candidates. I don't know where you got the idea that this trip required Palin to hold any kind of position.

Even then you seem to have a misunderstanding, let's say that she's there as a potential VP. It's still not her place to hold in depth political conversations with foreign leaders. She is not yet in a position to be making any promises to them or decisions. Neither is Obama.

Again no one expects her to hold negotiations with these leaders. If she was doing that, then this really would be a news story! That would be innapropriate.

This trip is not a Governor delegation, She is there to Boost her foreign policy credentials as a potential US VP!!!!

Really? Is that your interpretation or is that what she said?

That is how it is widely interpretted. Her'e how it is interpretted by one Republican Strategist:

"The first thing you do is burnish their foreign policy credentials. You buy them a Rand-McNally, you meet with generals, you get a lot of flags on the stage and you give a big speech on foreign policy to display you have some command of the world," said Alex Castellanos, a Republican strategist and CNN contributor.

What do YOU think was her reason for wanting to meet 9 leaders in 30 hours and have her pictures taken with them? Nice photos for the scrapbook? Of course it was about her trying to boost her credibility. I agree that in practical effect it does nothing to really boost her credibility, but that is what her campaign would like you to believe.

Again the real issue with this is not that she is having meaningless meetings to talk baby names with foreign leaders. The real issue is that the function of the media is not to publish photos of a candidate with no context whatsoever. Attempting to get the media to run pictures or her meeting with all these world leaders but excluding them from what the meeting is about is media manipulation. The press does not get much praise for credibility these days, but I think it's great that they stuck by their principles this time. The rule is, if you want that cameras there, then an editorial reporter must be present too. It has always been that way. There is a good reason for that rule. If all you want is flattering pictures with no news content, then send you own photographer and don't expect them to be published for free as news --- pay for an ad and run them yourself.