Loving God = Stockholm Syndrome.

[Coelho]

I think the problem most people has with God comes from the wrong idea of God most people has. They think God is "a man in the sky", who does whatever He wish and likes to control people... they thing God has the same (fool) mind of human beings, full of human feelings, desires, needs, etc... and so, of course they dislike this idea. And i must say, if i thought God is this way i described, of course i would dislike it too.

I, personally, think that God is abstract. I think He is not human-like, so he has no feelings, desires, or whatever that we humans have. I think He is the base, the fundamental "matter" (i cand find a better word) of what the universe is made. I think every atom, every particle, and even the space are in Him, are part of Him. I would say that He is the substrate where the universe exists on (or in). I think He is conscious, and that would be the only resemblance He has with we humans, the consciousness.

I dont know or even concieve why He did create us. But this doesnt matter. I think once we were created, He would provide us with guidelines for our lifes be the best possible, and this guidelines are what people today calls "Gods commandments". Of course today this commandments are way scrambled, and most people dislike them. But i think most things that are said to be "against Gods will", "sins", or whatever, are actually things that does not any good for those who practice it. Killing someone will make your life better? Envying someone will do? Stealing, hating, all this things will make your life better? Of course not. Thats why they are called "sins" and are deemed wrong. So, we should avoid "sin" because its bad for us, and not because "God doesnt like it". I think God is far great to care about if we do sin or not. If we do sin, its our entire problem, and we will suffer the consequences of it. But, if we want live a good life, then we have a good set of guidelines to follow.

Some people resents it and wants to do anything with their lifes. Well, its their right. But think for a moment: if you saw a small children playing with something dangerous (lets say a knife), wouldnt you tell them to stop? Some persons would even take the knife from the children, no matter how angry it would be, or how much it would cry. Some persons would let the children cut itself and then learn the hard way. Anyway, i doubt someone would do nothing or even say nothing, just watch the children cut itself. And i think the same goes with God. He advised people what was bad for them, but if they really wish to harm themselves doing bad things, the He lets them do it and learn the hard way. Some never do. But at least He advised them, He did His part. So, if someone harmed itself, its their own entire fault.

At last, i must agree that todays religion has strayed way far from its original purposes, and now its just more one persons group, with all the bad things that come from every human group, as search for power, status, control, etc. But religion is VERY different from spirituality. Spirituality is the right way, and it was the religions origin way back. But now true spirituality is rare, even among the religions. And thats why the religions are going downwards.

[phatsesh101]

hey i was supposed to be catholic, the school, church all the time til a teen never really believed in their depiction of god though it didnt make sense being perfect and making the devil who is bad he should have known and not made him i think i was 5 or 6 with that thought. well ne way

i believe faith is a tool to be used not faith in god but faith in the way it is
dont really want to explain this but its similar to bruce lees def. of emotion as a whole not anger or sadness or hapiness etc. but emotion.

but all that aside ima mutt and have heard several types of religion at close range from pagan irish to chritianity islam wicken and some judiasm iwill also say ive seen magic work great grandfather took aunt out into woods on new moon rubbed warts on her hand and while saying somthing two days later they were gone long b4 wart meds

i do good things for the feeling i get when im doing it. all religions have similarities like prayer or spells which tend to work better with faith or concentrated emotion.

with that being said i like the story of the ancient sumarians and the annanaki for instance gilgamesh which predates noah by i believe ten thousand years same story though. well its pretty interesting and it says there is another sun that may travel around or sun on an elongated orbit that comes around every 3000 years or some thing with huminoid beings that come with it planet x, revelation and two suns the missing link in evolution and the aliens crossing thier dna with primates on this planet for a slave race and chariots of fire

in ww1 pilots were forced to land in africa where they encounterd people who had not yet seen any civilization other than ther vilage 10 years later they returnded to the village where they had idols of planes and the people who flew and regarded them as their god.

[Weedhound]

all great stuff....thanks everybody.

[GreenDestiny]

"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." - Robert Pirsig

I wish there were some kind of way to spread more awareness that religion is often just another form of psychological abuse.

Everything else is a lie. You must believe what we believe. If you do then we will accept you and you'll be eternally rewarded for your conformity to our way of life and morals. If you don't then you'll be punished forever after you die.

yep... it definitely is brainwashing kids into being like a victim of Stockholm syndrome. We're not ALL held physically by religious doctrines (though some really are) but we are all potential victims of the mental effects (fear, shame, guilt, etc.) that many religions try to instill upon us and remain loyal to the teachings.... or ELSE!

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

everything that ever happens, good or bad, happens with the purpose of balancing out the universe. the universe works to no individual or group's favor, it simply exists for the purpose of perpetual existence.
we are but genes of a cosmic body - we are expendable for the sake of perpetuating the universe.


when we die, we become the universe's resources. our bodies become dirt, bug food, and stone. we perpetuate the earth's existence by dying.


if there is a god, there is no proof for or against, so why even worry about it. either you believe or you dont, keep it to yourself until there's concrete proof.