US & Israel vs Iran & Russia

[flyingimam]

Russia to equip Iran with 'game changer'?

Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:31:40 GMT

Russia plans to equip Iran with advanced antiaircraft defense systems amid reports that Israel will soon acquire advanced smart bombs.

Russian arms exporter Rosoboronexport has disclosed that despite US opposition, Moscow intends to empower Iran by supplying the country additional air defense systems.

Moscow has already delivered 29 Tor-M1 missile systems to Iran under a $700 million (£386 million) contract signed in 2005.

Reports, however, began to surface as early as 2005 on the possibility of another deal - the delivery to Iran of S-300 surface-to-air missile systems that can complicate any aerial strike on Iranian nuclear facilities.

"If Tehran obtained the S-300, it would be a game-changer in military thinking for tackling Iran. That could be a catalyst for Israeli air attacks before it is operational," said Dan Goure, a long-time Pentagon advisor, in late August.

"This is a system that scares every Western air force," he continued.

Israeli officials themselves have also commented on the issue, confirming that the system, once acquired by Iran, would complicate a potential attack on the 'numerous, distant, and fortified' nuclear sites in the country.

Tel Aviv and its ally, the United States, have threatened to launch air strikes against Iranian nuclear facilities under the pretext that Tehran, a signatory to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), has plans to develop nuclear weapons.

This is while the UN nuclear watchdog in its latest report on Iran announced that it could not find any 'components of a nuclear weapon' or 'related nuclear physics studies' in Iran.

According to the September 15 report, Iran enriches uranium-235 to a level of below 5 percent - a rate consistent with the construction of a nuclear power plant. Nuclear arms production requires an enrichment level of above 90 percent.

News of the possible Tehran-Moscow S-300 deal came just days after the Pentagon notified Congress of plans to sell 1,000 GBU-39 smart bombs to Israel.

The 'bunker-buster' bombs, the Guided Bomb Unit-39 (GBU-39), have been developed to penetrate fortified facilities located deep underground - such as Iran's nuclear facilities.

Despite US and Israeli threats, however, Iran has declared that it will not halt uranium enrichment and has begun intense defense preparations.

On Monday, dozens of Iranian fighter jets, surveillance planes, interceptor aircraft and radar drones took to the skies in a joint three-day military exercise.

The maneuvers also involved testing a surveillance network equipped with state-of-the-art systems for identifying enemy aircraft.

In mid-August, Iran's Air Force chief, Brigadier General Ahmad Miqani, announced that the country had revamped its fighter jet fleet to fly distances of 3,000 kilometers without refueling.

The upgrade allows Iranian aircraft to fly to Israel and back without needing to refuel.

Iranian military officials have also warned that Iran would not hesitate in taking the necessary measures to protect its sovereignty - including the closure of the Strait of Hormuz - in case the country comes under attack.

The strategically vital waterway, between Iran and Oman, connects the oil-rich region to high seas. As much as 40 percent of the world's sea-transited crude oil passes through the strait.

In further preparations, the IRGC has recently equipped its navy fleet with high-tech weapons systems capable of targeting any vessel within a range of 300 km (185 miles) from its shores.

Should the S-300 system become operational in Iran, it would effectively rule out Israeli air raids and seriously complicate any US aerial bombings, according to George Friedman - the director of leading US private intelligence agency Stratfor.

"Back Georgia and Ukraine for NATO membership and you'll see the S-300 to Iran. It is a very powerful bargaining chip and a major deterrent to US actions in the region. Moscow is playing very strategically on America's obsession with Iran," he said in late August.

Press TV - Russia to equip Iran with 'game changer'?

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perhaps its time to put off the damn precondition to "exhaust" the diplomatic efforts... other than that I see it as an intention by US for the diplomatic process not to succeed.

We talked to Nuclear Soviet Union for god's sake! this is still non-nuclear Iran!!!!

why i say this? because I hear in the media that diplomatic efforts are failing... well, to me thats the same as calling stoners criminals cuz we have criminalized marijuana! u know, its an oxymoron loop!

these are just 2 examples: Washington Times - MCINERNEY: Don't kowtow to Iran

FOXNews.com - Iran Warns Against Attacks on Nuke Facilities - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News

we say we dont talk to them and yet claim diplomacy is failing and its time for yet another war... this one WILL BE BLOODY,i just have a feeling, all sides will suffer quite a bit and it wont matter who will suffer more, cuz such a war will definitely result in a worldwide crisis that can cripple us in current economic situation... speaking of backlash on America

lets truly exhaust the diplomacy so at least this time we won't be the warmongers! at least we will have backup that we did EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY COULD to prevent a disaster b4 jumping into the ring!

sure the iranian regime is NUTS, but they have a military and i really dont see how we can target them in a way to destroy all of them idiots and prevent the atomic bomb, such an attack can only guarantee they will get atomic bomb and use it in self defense and u get the idea we will use it too perhaps and there we go WW3: Nukes Arise... I already see the game titles released in the next year or two (C&C generals + Zero Hour was released just as iraq war started and it so realistically had terrorists favorite weapons: suicide bombers, etc) we're still stuck in iraq for Christ's sake! and that place is a flat desert which had 0 military capacity in 2003 compared to what iran possesses... we are talking a country almost twice the size of iraq with one of the strongest militaries in mideast region! i mean u probably wanna call me out on it, true, but read this b4 u do it
and thats where the disaster element lies locally!
MILNET Brief - Iranian Conventional Forces

and lets not forget, they do have quite a bit of potential to hit israel from multiple fronts, they maintain very warm relations with Hizballah of Lebanon and Hamas and Islamic Jihad (same Palestinian groups who have been buggin israel for too long now)

plus they have 1 official and major ally as well!
AFP: Iran-Syria sign defence pact

again dont get me wrong, I for one hate those mullahs and their regime, but we gotta be realistic, unless all the talk about our military's stretching thing is bullshit and we still maintain full capacity to wipe their defense/military/nuclear/infrastructure capacity within days or weeks

cuz these bastards are not gonna hide in a ditch like saddam! thats for sure, they got enough people brainwashed and signed up on suicide bomb volunteers and hey, we claim most weapons and IEDs n stuff in iraq and afghanistan is from iran and we are gonna be going to walk right into the source of those things?!?!

idk, all i know is i certainly want to see our diplomats do something for once instead of our military... how come all the heroes and down to heart patriots must be from military... are our diplomats not patriots to save the nation another war?! they better get into serious action b4 time is lost

we cant afford nuclear armed iran but we cant afford another full blown war either, not at the current situation... even thought of a military draft is crazy even if we get the financing for our war

flyingimam Reviewed by flyingimam on 09-22-2008. US & Israel vs Iran & Russia Russia to equip Iran with 'game changer'? Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:31:40 GMT Russia plans to equip Iran with advanced antiaircraft defense systems amid reports that Israel will soon acquire advanced smart bombs. Russian arms exporter Rosoboronexport has disclosed that despite US opposition, Moscow intends to empower Iran by supplying the country additional air defense systems. Moscow has already delivered 29 Tor-M1 missile systems to Iran under a $700 million (£386 million) contract Rating: 5

[flyingimam]

UPDATE:

I donno if this ever got any coverage in our media or not but it is apparently a deal!

Asia Times Online :: Middle East News - Attack Iran and you attack Russia

also on another note
China, Russia, India Blocking Iran Attack? | ForeignPolicy | AlterNet

U.S. condemnation of Russia's military action to defend the breakaway region of South Ossetia, combined with the determination of the Bush administration to install missile systems in Poland and the Czech Republic, virtually guarantee that Russia will not do anything to help the United States foment more violence in its neighborhood.

Beijing owns much of the U.S. debt, continues to be one of Tehran's largest trade partners, and is not about to be dictated to by Washington. India has defied the United States by entering into a pipeline deal with Iran. Exhaustive three-year nuclear treaty negotiations between the United States and India are utterly stalled. If the treaty is not presented to Congress in September, it will be dead.

[flyingimam]

2nd UPDATE

Israel cannot damage Iran's N-sites: Abizaid

Abizaid Says Israel Can't Hurt Iran Nuke Program | Newsweek Periscope | Newsweek.com

[flyingimam]

UPDATE 3:

It may a lil late! or may not... I just have heard "rumors" they already own a number of these systems and they are just looking for more...

Website: Croatia has sold S300 to Iran | Iran news | Jerusalem Post

what is all the fuss about and why the war will not reach its targets fully and become a failure?

check this page out to find out that Russians also have some superior tech that are apprently falling in Iranian's hands and will be a grave threat to any aerial/missile campaign performed by US, Israel & allies

S-300 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

perhaps this can show it better and simpler
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[flyingimam]

sorry for multiple posts but this just turned into a spontaneous research project for me since my school thanks to Ike will be clsoed 2moro as well!!! :thumbsup:

Israel, Iran, and the US: Nuclear War, Here We Come - by Jorge Hirsch

read this article once u read the above posts 1st, and verify and see how many of these predictions have already come true

this is the scary part @ the end, btw the article totally makes sense to me in the light of developments after this article has been written some 3 years ago

Otherwise? Welcome to the new world order, where the U.S. can nuke any non-nuclear country at will. Refrain from having a nuclear deterrent at your own risk. All nations that can will become nuclear, others on their way will be nuked, and all-out nuclear war will become an absolute certainty. Bye-bye, world.

[Dutch Pimp]

If they go..they will go with the big dawg......not F-18 Hornets.

[killerweed420]

Economy is fucked up and there's only one way out. Lets go to war. America loves a good war and its so good for the economy. And we're going to have to stop kicking the illegals back to Mexico. We're going to need them to help build bigger bombs.

[flyingimam]

And we're going to have to stop kicking the illegals back to Mexico. We're going to need them to help build bigger bombs.

um i donno how this last part helps/works, we already have thousands of atomic/nuclear bombs! we dont need more or bigger ones

[Coelho]

I for one hate those mullahs and their regime

Why do you hate them?

[flyingimam]

Why do you hate them?

DO U REALLY WANT TO KNOW?

ok i tell u why, and no its not cuz im afraid they will or will not nuke Israel, cuz i know they dont got the balls to do such a thing

here it goes

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my fault i could not find any video with english version

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i was among the crowd u see in the beginning of the film a few years back.
my best friend died that night. they threw him alive from his 3rd story dorm room. he was like my brother. and many more of my friends have been slashed or punished in different ways for having a girlfriend or holding a party and drinking alcohol, from since i remember, this was goin on, since 7th or 8th grade

and there are thousands of examples like this

its no secret they do these things... just do a couple searches on google or youtube... plenty of evidence out there

however, this needs something more useful than military action to fix... there are brainwashed idiots in hundreds of thousands there and u just cant kill them all in a war... all the war will do is to line up more people behind them in the name of defending the soil of Iran and legitimize these bastards even more

these are people who are smart enough to make a deal with US if US wants to sit down and talk without preconditions... they are different than al-qaeda's type of extremists... they are opportunists as well and like to hold their power, so im quite certain a deal can force them far better than a war

just look @ what we did with Libya & al-Gaddafi
we turned an enemy into a non-enemy
same can be done with the mullahs, i strongly believe

i suggest if u really wanna know the pain of Iranian people and why they are stuck in inaction u watch the movie Persepolis

it explains it to a good extent with a few flaws tho...
they got cheated out of their revolution... the voted for a "democratic republic" instead of a dictatorship monarchy and their feelings were sharp and hot cuz it would be their beloved religion @ work.... until they figured that their religious leaders had a different view...

i still think, its better and really better if we can push sanctions on them, that will only increase the internal pressure of the pot and it has to explode from inside at some point.... it will be far cheaper than wars and far far more effective... but with US attitude towards russia and only pursuing iran after the nukes threat it only shows that our pressure goes up only for our interest not for iranians' interest and freedom

its time to get them on the table and do some str8 talks and i know for fact these bastards are more than willing to avoid a war and make a deal, but they dont like to look weak accepting preconditioned talks and if they gotta deal with a war they will do it in such a situation, and will portray themselves (also according to international law) that they were attacked pre-emptively and unprovoked and certainly if we use nukes on them, that will only help them and their ideas to survive longer and gain more popularity

its a nightmare when u think how easily people of all countries whether Iran or US get brainwashed so easily... hence my signature

it is happening on both sides, right now! US needs a threat to justify its military presence in oil region and guarantee the oil interest

Iran needs an enemy & threat to push hard on reformists and opposition and to keep the military draft active and the ideas of martyrdom and that kinda crap alive