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09-22-2008, 07:59 AM #1OPSenior Member
US & Israel vs Iran & Russia
Russia to equip Iran with 'game changer'?
Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:31:40 GMT
Russia plans to equip Iran with advanced antiaircraft defense systems amid reports that Israel will soon acquire advanced smart bombs.
Russian arms exporter Rosoboronexport has disclosed that despite US opposition, Moscow intends to empower Iran by supplying the country additional air defense systems.
Moscow has already delivered 29 Tor-M1 missile systems to Iran under a $700 million (£386 million) contract signed in 2005.
Reports, however, began to surface as early as 2005 on the possibility of another deal - the delivery to Iran of S-300 surface-to-air missile systems that can complicate any aerial strike on Iranian nuclear facilities.
"If Tehran obtained the S-300, it would be a game-changer in military thinking for tackling Iran. That could be a catalyst for Israeli air attacks before it is operational," said Dan Goure, a long-time Pentagon advisor, in late August.
"This is a system that scares every Western air force," he continued.
Israeli officials themselves have also commented on the issue, confirming that the system, once acquired by Iran, would complicate a potential attack on the 'numerous, distant, and fortified' nuclear sites in the country.
Tel Aviv and its ally, the United States, have threatened to launch air strikes against Iranian nuclear facilities under the pretext that Tehran, a signatory to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), has plans to develop nuclear weapons.
This is while the UN nuclear watchdog in its latest report on Iran announced that it could not find any 'components of a nuclear weapon' or 'related nuclear physics studies' in Iran.
According to the September 15 report, Iran enriches uranium-235 to a level of below 5 percent - a rate consistent with the construction of a nuclear power plant. Nuclear arms production requires an enrichment level of above 90 percent.
News of the possible Tehran-Moscow S-300 deal came just days after the Pentagon notified Congress of plans to sell 1,000 GBU-39 smart bombs to Israel.
The 'bunker-buster' bombs, the Guided Bomb Unit-39 (GBU-39), have been developed to penetrate fortified facilities located deep underground - such as Iran's nuclear facilities.
Despite US and Israeli threats, however, Iran has declared that it will not halt uranium enrichment and has begun intense defense preparations.
On Monday, dozens of Iranian fighter jets, surveillance planes, interceptor aircraft and radar drones took to the skies in a joint three-day military exercise.
The maneuvers also involved testing a surveillance network equipped with state-of-the-art systems for identifying enemy aircraft.
In mid-August, Iran's Air Force chief, Brigadier General Ahmad Miqani, announced that the country had revamped its fighter jet fleet to fly distances of 3,000 kilometers without refueling.
The upgrade allows Iranian aircraft to fly to Israel and back without needing to refuel.
Iranian military officials have also warned that Iran would not hesitate in taking the necessary measures to protect its sovereignty - including the closure of the Strait of Hormuz - in case the country comes under attack.
The strategically vital waterway, between Iran and Oman, connects the oil-rich region to high seas. As much as 40 percent of the world's sea-transited crude oil passes through the strait.
In further preparations, the IRGC has recently equipped its navy fleet with high-tech weapons systems capable of targeting any vessel within a range of 300 km (185 miles) from its shores.
Should the S-300 system become operational in Iran, it would effectively rule out Israeli air raids and seriously complicate any US aerial bombings, according to George Friedman - the director of leading US private intelligence agency Stratfor.
"Back Georgia and Ukraine for NATO membership and you'll see the S-300 to Iran. It is a very powerful bargaining chip and a major deterrent to US actions in the region. Moscow is playing very strategically on America's obsession with Iran," he said in late August.
Press TV - Russia to equip Iran with 'game changer'?
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perhaps its time to put off the damn precondition to "exhaust" the diplomatic efforts... other than that I see it as an intention by US for the diplomatic process not to succeed.
We talked to Nuclear Soviet Union for god's sake! this is still non-nuclear Iran!!!!
why i say this? because I hear in the media that diplomatic efforts are failing... well, to me thats the same as calling stoners criminals cuz we have criminalized marijuana! u know, its an oxymoron loop!
these are just 2 examples: Washington Times - MCINERNEY: Don't kowtow to Iran
FOXNews.com - Iran Warns Against Attacks on Nuke Facilities - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News
we say we dont talk to them and yet claim diplomacy is failing and its time for yet another war... this one WILL BE BLOODY,i just have a feeling, all sides will suffer quite a bit and it wont matter who will suffer more, cuz such a war will definitely result in a worldwide crisis that can cripple us in current economic situation... speaking of backlash on America
lets truly exhaust the diplomacy so at least this time we won't be the warmongers! at least we will have backup that we did EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY COULD to prevent a disaster b4 jumping into the ring!
sure the iranian regime is NUTS, but they have a military and i really dont see how we can target them in a way to destroy all of them idiots and prevent the atomic bomb, such an attack can only guarantee they will get atomic bomb and use it in self defense and u get the idea we will use it too perhaps and there we go WW3: Nukes Arise... I already see the game titles released in the next year or two (C&C generals + Zero Hour was released just as iraq war started and it so realistically had terrorists favorite weapons: suicide bombers, etc) we're still stuck in iraq for Christ's sake! and that place is a flat desert which had 0 military capacity in 2003 compared to what iran possesses... we are talking a country almost twice the size of iraq with one of the strongest militaries in mideast region! i mean u probably wanna call me out on it, true, but read this b4 u do it
and thats where the disaster element lies locally!
MILNET Brief - Iranian Conventional Forces
and lets not forget, they do have quite a bit of potential to hit israel from multiple fronts, they maintain very warm relations with Hizballah of Lebanon and Hamas and Islamic Jihad (same Palestinian groups who have been buggin israel for too long now)
plus they have 1 official and major ally as well!
AFP: Iran-Syria sign defence pact
again dont get me wrong, I for one hate those mullahs and their regime, but we gotta be realistic, unless all the talk about our military's stretching thing is bullshit and we still maintain full capacity to wipe their defense/military/nuclear/infrastructure capacity within days or weeks
cuz these bastards are not gonna hide in a ditch like saddam! thats for sure, they got enough people brainwashed and signed up on suicide bomb volunteers and hey, we claim most weapons and IEDs n stuff in iraq and afghanistan is from iran and we are gonna be going to walk right into the source of those things?!?!
idk, all i know is i certainly want to see our diplomats do something for once instead of our military... how come all the heroes and down to heart patriots must be from military... are our diplomats not patriots to save the nation another war?! they better get into serious action b4 time is lost
we cant afford nuclear armed iran but we cant afford another full blown war either, not at the current situation... even thought of a military draft is crazy even if we get the financing for our warflyingimam Reviewed by flyingimam on . US & Israel vs Iran & Russia Russia to equip Iran with 'game changer'? Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:31:40 GMT Russia plans to equip Iran with advanced antiaircraft defense systems amid reports that Israel will soon acquire advanced smart bombs. Russian arms exporter Rosoboronexport has disclosed that despite US opposition, Moscow intends to empower Iran by supplying the country additional air defense systems. Moscow has already delivered 29 Tor-M1 missile systems to Iran under a $700 million (£386 million) contract Rating: 5
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