appreciate that info, mattaka. especially that diff. strains take diff. times to show sex. and good news, today the neighbor called me over and sure enough, after approx. 10 days of 12/12, plants are starting to show sex, 4 boys from 10 leda unos so far. 2 boys from 10 early buds and the early mistys aren't showing anything yet. neighbor thinks cut the main stalks of the females down to shorten them? man, that early misty has a deep skunky smell. Delta-i hear you....the papaya designation is somewhat confusing to me, i think it is mango or variation of. i've seen pics and the buds look white and i believe it is called a white strain. mattaka where do you start cloning ur plants after you sex them? your advice is appreciated big time