**HELP** BUNCH OF QUESTIONS **HELP**

[dooobster]

Shop light fixtures are great for young clones and seedlings, but keeping them within effective range of a mature plant can get tricky. A four foot plant, flowered with your shop lamp, will yield about the top 6" of plant, if the light is above the plants. All else will be too far away, and thusly have insufficient lighting. The problem I had with the side-light CFL lights, was that heat rises, and since you have to 'snug' them in to be effective, it can bake anything above it. (other branches, fan leaves)

Those spotlamps seem to give more heat than lumens, too. Not good for a closet grow. A 250w HPS would work much better, with some ventilation and air circulation inherently required. A 400w would be optimal, but it would come with a serious heat problem you'd have to look into solving, prior to purchase. Plus, you can veg with HPS if need be, or use one of those switchable ballast systems.

Your disappointments grow in direct proportion to your expectations...
...Yields are irrelevant. Results are relevant. (you'll find out yield, when you reach your first harvest at full maturity) :jointsmile:

Rusty makes a good point.
Firstly, let me answer your question: Yes, yield is affected by the size of the plant (of course a taller plant is going to have more bud.)

Being as how this is your first grow (obviously), your first concern is to get a female plant... Secondly, to get that plant into flower properly.

A 1000 watt light is nice, but you're going to have some serious heat issues to deal with now, as that thing is going to give off a LOT of heat.
When I said "you could put 1000 watts in there" I wasn't saying it would be optimal... I hope you're prepared to throw money at some GOOD ventilation fans to help deal with that.

Keep your expectations low, and you will be less disappointed when it doesn't turn out so good this first time. Don't expect a lot, and then if you get a lot, you can be pleasantly surprised.

[sipittysip]

i got the 1000w hps but i am going to move them into a spare bedroom near a window so i can vent all the hot air out the window. im going to build a little room near the window btw. like say a 8'longx2'deepx8'tall and exhaust the air out of a window and bring in air from another window. is it possible to get these plants as big as i want with lst? like even make it take up the whole room hypothetically speaking. will they keep growing or is it on genetics? btw if i were able to grow a 6 footer how much do you think my possible yield could be?

[Chronic Chrissy]

Rusty makes a good point.
Firstly, let me answer your question: Yes, yield is affected by the size of the plant (of course a taller plant is going to have more bud.)

I completely disagree with this statement. #1 If there is not enough light then the plant is actually wasting energy by being to tall and the harvest is diminished. #2 a plants root size is a much better judge of the yeild size, not actual vegitation size. Reason being is that at the end of each day the leaves transport their extra nutrients down into the roots to be stored. The bigger the roots the more stored resources and the better the ability to gather more resources efficiently. A plant with a strong healthy root system and little vegitation will produce more than a large plant with a small root system. If you want proof look at my flowering plants in my grow log they were monsters but started outside and I had to cut the roots to transplant them into the pot. They had 2 weeks to recover and get over their stress but now this far into flower the reduced roots are unable to absorbe the nutrients they need and can't catch up. If I were able to take all the roots and put them in the same size pot they would be fine.

[dooobster]

So, Chrissy... you're saying a 5-footer won't yield more bud than a 2 footer?
I completely disagree with that statement.
All I'm saying is... I've been growing canna for nearly 20 years, and I've never seen a 2 footer that out-yielded the 5 foot tree standing next to it.
He's going to have them under a 1000W hps... insufficient lighting won't be a problem.

So, let me rephrase.
*IF* you grow your plants under sufficient lighting for lush, thick growth and *IF* your plants ROOTS are in pots that are of sufficient size to allow big luxurious ROOT systems and *IF* the environment, and nutrients are optimal, then yes. The taller plants SHOULD yield more weight than the shorter plant.

[smoothsmoke]

thats hard to achieve though....

[dooobster]

Anything worth having takes some work to achieve...
In growing this stuff, you get out what you put in.
Sure, it takes some money, and it takes some work to get everything dialed in, but obviously this guy's primary concern is yield, so I'm telling him what he needs to do in order to get the best yield he can get.
If he's willing to spend the money and do the work to get conditions as close to optimal as he can get them, then he will be rewarded.

[sipittysip]

can someone tell me exactly what i can get to make my yields as much as possible. money is not an issue i just need to know exactly what i need in order to have my babies in optimal condition. btw what do u guys suggest hydro or soil?

pleaseeeee give me a list prosss

[TheMetal1]

There is no reason you can't get great results if you spend time reading these:
http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-gro...-dankness.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-gro...ency-baby.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-li...uch-light.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-gr...-progress.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-faqs...large-pot.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-faqs...-training.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-faqs...ce-plants.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-faqs...n-harvest.html
actually everything here:
Grow FAQs - Cannabis.com Forums Message Boards - Medical Marijuana, Cannabis Club, Dispensary, News

There are hundreds of different things you can do to maximize your yield... and most of them have already been written up in complete detail. I know reading sucks sometimes :rasta:

[Chronic Chrissy]

So, Chrissy... you're saying a 5-footer won't yield more bud than a 2 footer?
I completely disagree with that statement.
All I'm saying is... I've been growing canna for nearly 20 years, and I've never seen a 2 footer that out-yielded the 5 foot tree standing next to it.
He's going to have them under a 1000W hps... insufficient lighting won't be a problem.

So, let me rephrase.
*IF* you grow your plants under sufficient lighting for lush, thick growth and *IF* your plants ROOTS are in pots that are of sufficient size to allow big luxurious ROOT systems and *IF* the environment, and nutrients are optimal, then yes. The taller plants SHOULD yield more weight than the shorter plant.

I'm saying that if the two plants were to have the exaqct same root systems the 2 ft plant would produce better that the 5 ft plant because of all the wasted energy sabilizing and transporting nutrients and water up huge tall stalks. Just because he is going to have a 1000w doesn't mean he won't have problems with insufficient lighting, especially at the bottom of the plants due to the distance away(remember lumens halve exponetially with every foot away) and also because there are leaves above it that are creating shade and only letting through a part of the light spectrum. This also wastes energy because the bottom buds are constantly competing to get light and using all their energy to reach for it instead of producing buds. Just because you've been growing for 20+ years doesn't mean you know everything and doesn't mean you shouldn't be open to new perspectives or discoveries. It's closemindedness that keeps our medicine illegal and it seems to me there are alot of hypocrites here who are set in their knowledge and trying to build a reputation instead of becoming better growers.

sipittysip-
Do your research. everything you want to know is already out there and if you aren't willing to do the work to seek it out and want us all to hand you the answers(which we, sorry they, have), then you might as well just use your "money is not a problem" attitude and find someone to grow it for you. My best advice is to either find a mentor to come into your garden and teach you how, or start at the basics of Sunshine mix and nutrients as you discover diffeciencies and build on your skills as you perfect them. You can't just dive into a full out hydro system or complicated grow room set-ups without majorly fucking something up or losing/wasting a whole crop. Your first crop and grow should be for the love of the plant after that you can grow for the love of the yeild. But I smell money and sales as being a motivator here, and I must remind you that this site is for personal use, not growing to sell. Everything always works out on paper or in writting but almost never in reality. :jointsmile: