Please Involve Your Opinion To This Large Controversy!!!

[40oz]

However, this controversy is about whether or not the recreational use of cannabis is, truthfully, morally good or bad.

Well think of the question like this, would the recreational use of chocolate or coffee be morally bad according to the bible? If not, then why is cannabis any different?

[SunnyD]

To engage in "drunkenness," one has to DRINK something, right? Isn't that the whole reason that hashish was popular among Islamic peoples, while alcohol remained prohibited?

Also, alcohol is not natural, at least not when it makes it's way into a human's glass.

Alcohol is in fact a natural substance. Grapes do naturally ferment as does rice when in the correct conditions, it's just not as readily available for consumption

Just thought I'd clear that up

I can't formulate any proper thoughts pertaining to this argument right now...if anyone else has any other contributions i would really appreciate their input!

Be back in a couple hours probably...:jointsmile:

[TurnyBright]

Would you ever ingest those naturally fermented grapes, though? It seems like alcohol is actually just rotten food.

Though I guess buds from wild hemp wouldn't be that great either, so I don't really have a point.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

If strong minded people who don't abuse the drug are influencing weak minded people to partake of the substance leading to abuse then should we all set an example for the weak minded people? Should all of the strong minded people sacrifice something that they can enjoy in order to stop the weak minded people from destroying themselves? Isn't this the way natural selection works?

the question of how far we should be required to go in order to aid the weak and disadvantaged has become not just a matter of spiritual debate, but of social and political as well. denying man's place in nature has led us to the point where we also deny the power of the laws of nature over us. surely we can't be so callous as to allow those damaged souls to simply wither and die, but do we owe them our own freedom so that they might prosper? i really don't have an answer for you, but i do have a rational conclusion. we owe them nothing more than we are freely willing to give.

self sacrifice is a wonderful thing, but it must be done for personal reasons and not through the demands of authority. god, the state, and public opinion are all voices of authority and they have all been used to enforce the creed of sacrifice. drug laws, wealth redistribution, and tolerance for the most outlandish demands of those around you are prime examples of sacrifice in the name of authority. the state demands you forego certain pleasures for the sake of the illusion of public safety, god demands certain conducts to avoid his divine retribution, the community demands you believe as the masses to keep from being ostracized and becoming a pariah. demands are made constantly, all for the safety of the herd.

[DaBudhaStank]

There's no such thing as morality and marijuana. There's no morality involved. Ingesting anything (pot, alcohol, poison, crack, gasoline) does not change or affect ones morals. Morality has no place on my ganja. Morality is one of key reasons it's illegal today. Morals often do more harm than good.

[rebgirl420]

well, my personal opinion doesn't mean anything, except to me , but I look at it like this: I am a sincere follower of Jesus Christ, and my church's Pastor would tell you that drugs are what the Bible refers to as 'sorcery' ... I personally don't agree, at least, not completely ... he would also tell you, "if pot is OK because it's 'natural', then why don't ya just smoke poison oak ?, it's 'natural' too" ... I'm sure the Lord would prefer I live my life without drugs, but I know, He knows my heart ... He knows my thoughts, knows I have a more tolerable life WITH marijuana ... and, if I am wrong, He will save me from myself ... personally, I have done a LOT worse things in my life, pot-smoking is pretty tame, in comparison ... and, the world is a safer place when I'm medicated, I can be a dangerous MF when the occasion arises :wtf: ... marijuana DOES make me a nicer person (just ask my friends) :smokin:

Haha sorry, I read the word sorcery and cracked up. Watch out, that sorcery is grounds for being burned at the stake.

Reminds me of Monty Python and the Holy Grail:

Peasant 1: A witch! We have found a witch! Can we burn her?
Belvedere: How do you know that she is a witch?

Peasant 2: Because she looks like one!
Witch: I am not a witch! I am not a witch! They dressed me up like this, and this is not my nose it is a false one!

[Belvedere pulls off the false nose and opens his helmet]

Peasant 1: Well, we did do the nose, and the hat.
Peasant 2: She has a wart.

Belvedere: Why do you think that she is a witch?

Peasant 2: Well, she turned me into a newt.

[Belvedere gives him a disbelieving look]
Belvedere: A newt?
[Silence]
Peasant 2: Well I got better.
Peasant 3: Burn her anyway.

[MIDNIGHTspecial]

I think that what you do to yourself isn't immoral, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.

[GreenDestiny]

Hmm... well, since this thread was started by referencing Christianity as the basis for this moral debate, I'll offer my input accordingly.

In Exodus 30:22-33, cannabis (kaneh bosm, kannabosm, etc.) is one of the ingredients that God told Moses to use for the holy anointing oil.. They had to use about 6 pounds of it in the recipe. But the oil can't be used for secular purposes or for anyone whom isn't a priest.

Translations are so quirky so you probably won't read it in the Bible.... this explains things better: Kaneh Bosm: Cannabis in the Old Testament

Basically, Moses says that God gave him the selfish elitist rules for how to use the special oil.

Still.... that's just for that specific recipe, not cannabis by itself..... so.........


yeah if it's at least good enough to be in anointing oil, it's good. right?


We have the endocannabinoid system in our bodies, but if buds/cannabinoids are bad, then would religious nuts twist that around and call it another original sin that we have to ask for forgiveness? Born with this wicked evil intoxicating chemical that's naturally produced by our bodies we must PRAY TO JESUS or go to HELL.


I can just imagine a new Chick comic strip telling you how to pray so that this natural devil's poison running through our veins won't cause us to suffer eternal damnation. The devil somehow put a little bit of it into us when we're in the womb and unable to be baptised yet (HAW HAW!)... just enough for a taste, to have us addicted from birth. And now since we've had a taste of it he'll tempt us with more by offering our children the evil weed. Damn I really love those comic strips!

[FlyGuyOU]

...and we must consider that since-unfortunately-we are forced to live together, the most important thing for us to remember is that the only way in which we can have any law at all is to have as little of it as possible. I see no ethical standard to which to measure the whole unethical conception of a State, except in the amount of time, of thought, of money, or effort and of obedience, which a society extorts from its every member. Its value and its civilization are in inverse ratio to that extortion. There is no conceivable law by which a man can be forced to work on any terms except those he chooses to set. There is no conceivable law to prevent him from setting them-just as there is none to force his employer to accept them. The freedom to agree or disagree is the foundation of our kind of society...
~Ayn Rand

[xweefernationx]

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