Thanks WT, Shov, and Popa. And jd too.....thanks for stopping by the thread.

Well culling some stuff worked well......we just got too out of control for our best interests....which reminds me to say that Carrie will probably be our last "huge plant" for awhile. It's a total blast to aim for something and have fun working to accomplishi it but we need the space for more practical growing these days, boring as that is. So Carrie most likely will be our last "really big" plant........our last aim for greatness.