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[palerider7777]

of the same type of topic im having about this very thing but whats going on in cali. here's what 1 wrote.

you r very correct when we first started this "campaign " if you would on making the great prop 215 noticed , all our goals were simple and i hope the other forefathers agree with me on what i say here ,they were to free the people who wanted to use cannabiss as a medicine of choice versus other harsher meds that could litteraly destroy someones life from complications or side affects .and breaking that long or should i say life long silence that everyone should stay in the closet about there cannabiss use after all i was in America at the time as i am a world traveler .we spoke freely about our use and that it was a medicine breakthrough that it could help with so many symptoms like : anerexia insomnia depression cancer aids aches and pains of all magnitudes . the first forefather of our generation , speaking in the past 15 to 20 years in my sight would have to be the late and great may God rest his soul DR. Tod H. Mikuriaya as he broke the silence about the goverment testing of cannabis and released much needed data that the general public was un aware of . one that there was still 11 or so patients who still recieve cannabiss from the goverment which i know at the time i found out i knew nothing of ,and that these patients benefited from the meds not sure how many still are left hopefully all of them ,but back to the goals also that the plant would eventually be freed to all who needed the medicinal plant, and as i look back now we have definetly came a long way{now u can go to a clinic and purchase clones freely in some states mind you}, but still have much more educating to do , beside freeing the plant reducing prices for those who could not grow or afford it {i have given away lots of medicine for those that needed it with prescriptions of course} due to there illness or whatever the reasaon might be ,yes the key word always and still with me and many others till this day is COMPASSION that was our mission to be generous to those in need of this magnificent medicine and to show all of man kind that this beautifull plant was nothing to be afraid of of course like all meds dosages and regulations are alaways best for each indivdual user , when we first started people were all in Q with each others thoughts on this struggle to prove cannabiss has medicinal value but along the way just like anything else in the world corruption began from non patient and some patient affiliates not sure if thats the word im looking for turning it into a street thing instead of a COMPASSION thing but still the non patients should have some say as they r the more recreational users which i have no problem with i respect everyones wishes sometimes even when i dont want to i guess that comes with having an open mind , i must say when we first started i used to see patients and recreational users so much more paranoid than they r now , so with that we are getting some where not to mention alll the ralleys and festivals all around the globe that take place several times a year man the memories put a big smile on my face because everything we accomplished was for the better for man kinds tommorrow ,why should we throw people in prison or jails for something that is peoples choice?when all that happens is heart ache break up of happy families and innocent people being taken advantage of by people we expect to preserve our rights as citizens of whatever country we may be in .let me close by saying i do not mean to show boat my image or talk bad about the goverment as all the goverments in the world must do there job and yes that means some of us must get screwed but hopefully with the right knowledge they can someday open there eyes and see what we see , i think instead of these cops who are packing cannon sized artillery and raiding clinics we should have DOCTORS ,SCIENTISTS ,PROFESSORS and any men and women with higher learning to observe {raid} or search clinics to make sure meds are of high quality and safe for public use etc. i could go on forever as cannabiss freedom is a very sensitive area with me since it has helped me with my condition and my high stress due to all of lifes little obstacles so with that let me say to all we have much more work ahead and educating the uneducated, as our late and great may God rest his soul RONALD REAGAN said in a old movie he was in
{i hope this is right} go out there and win one for th GIPPER .......................

my response
back to reality nothing in this world is free never was never will be.and it really should'nt be everything has it's value to each person it's a diffrent value but does hold a value.to say someone should work and give over all there hard work/product and should'nt get comp'd for it well there's a word for that it's called slavery. b4 money it was trade but very same concept tho.if not alot of people would starve. mj was never ment to be "free" u even show that in your post u might want to read it. prop 215 was to give anyone the key word here"choice" to choose this drug over the gov controlled drugs"choice" and to grow your own as well if u see fit.

i see it like this if it's supposed to be "non profit" like everyone keeps saying then riddle me this and this comes str8 from the gov the whole "none profit"thing u can see where the atty gen says it if we see anyones making a profit those are the ones we will bust right? well if thats the case then how come the shops have to pay taxes? case in point,churches,goodwill whatever they are "none profit" they pay no taxes but this"compassion"drug is "none profit" yet is taxed to fuck and back?people need to wake up proof that you can't have your cake and eat it too.all anyone sees is "it's legal now yea" but they don't see that big shiny dong that the gov will slide in and outta ya anytime from any angle they want.the gov and quote"it's a compassion thing and u better not make a profit and if we catch ya we WILL fuck u but on the back side while we have you blinded u better believe we gunna take a big ass cut of it" thats what i see and thats the truth of the matter.

so in essence what your saying is shame on the shops for trying to do what they do but no prob on giving the gov there cut? never heard anyone bring up this. my point is how much compassion is it and thats coming from the gov themselfs the compassion bs lmao yet they need a cut of all the action? now if it was really a compassion thing then the gov should set up a free based program to give mj to the people that can't afford it and can't grow someone really bad off.oh wait what was i thinking were talking gov or any "free based"program is never free it gets funding by who? lets all say it at the same time you and me.see how that wheel turns back to u and i every time to fit the bills 1 way or another?

like i said b4 nothing is ever free. but lets get down to the real brass tax here cause im way to smart to have the wool pulled over my eyes here.are u saying your so bad off that u can't work or even grow your own? naw did'nt think so u know what im getting at.the whole compassion thing is a front for most people to hide behind.everyone thought hey when it becomes legal and a compassion we will get all our shit from next to nothing.everyone forgot about business in gen and the reson anyone and i do mean anyone opens a biz is for what ? yes to make a living.and weed is the new gold rush b4 it was legal noone complained to there dealer hey thats to much why? cause the dealer would prob charge u more next time or short u or well just say fuck u go somewhere else.yes there are alot in very much need of it and are to sick or hurt to provide for themselfs ofcorse they should be delt with diffrently.but you and i and everyone here knows the number of the rest that"CAN" OUT WEIGH those people so really it comes down to wanting something for nothing and most ride the coattails of the whole "compassion" thing.LETS BE MEN and lets get real here.

p.s im not trying to down anyone but i have a very good bs detector right here in my pocket and i call it like i see it to the T.some might call it crude or whatever but i say the ones that are'nt being real with themselfs need to be.and im not namecalling or anything like that or being mean either but the truth is the truth.


ps u never see anyone bitching about seed vendor prices?compassion? it's ok to pay for the seed but not the finished product? humm 10 to 100 per seed sometimes and everyone is glad to fork it out and if u get to talk to them online and mark out to them even better.but whoever buys those seeds and grows the great plants that the vendors cross and they want to try an make a living off it well thats just evil? seems abit twisted here?u know what would happen if that happened everyone would say fuck the bud biz im a seed vendor now see again how that works? is your brains awake yet?

ps not hating on the vendors even tho it sounds like it lol. im not it's proving a very good point.i think it's great you do what you do and i expect to pay for it to and gladly

ps not saying one should charge 1000 an oz but if they do just remember this little detail in my wisper voice"u don't have to buy it"there are other places, this is a country that u have that choice not totally free but u do have choices. think of it this way if everyone thinks like u do then that person won't have it at 1k for very long.but as far as the shops go seems like everyone does'nt have the same view or else this would have happened already then again this is america the people here are known for there ability to complain about this or that then the very next day go right back to doing it.i don't get it but thats the case.i already know why but i'll let u fig it out.
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[TheStrainMan]

Thanks for the heads up Chronic Wellness. I hope the prices are fair.

[neversummer]

Palerider, if you are gonna post that much, learn how to punctuate. It hurts my eyes to look at what you typed. No periods, or capitalization. Ouch.

[palerider7777]

Palerider, if you are gonna post that much, learn how to punctuate. It hurts my eyes to look at what you typed. No periods, or capitalization. Ouch.

think u need glasses,tons of punctuations and....... so ur saying u see none?yea u need glasses.the top part thats all bunched up was not from me btw.

[palerider7777]

Palerider, if you are gonna post that much, learn how to punctuate. It hurts my eyes to look at what you typed. No periods, or capitalization. Ouch.

typical lib talk,they pass right by the topic st8 to insults.cause they have no input and are mad about what someone wrote and it pisses them and they can't debate in a debatable fasion.So the only thing they always come up with is trying to pick apart someones post online none the less lmao.not what was said cause they have nothing for that so they go to the next lil thing ooh look u missed a . or u missed the m all u wrote was ust it should have been must lmaoyea it was i did'nt know how to spell it it was'nt a typo.

ok once your done with picking apart this one i do hope u do have something useful to say?sounds like another freeloader thats made cause they thought that post was aimed at them.Mad that someone said they should have to pay for something and get it for free off from the hard work of others..

[NatureLover]

Palerider, you're a scumbag. We've been over this exact same issue in a different thread (the Colorado Dispensary Reviews thread) and in that thread you gave up and now you're crying because patients are tired of being ripped off by greedy dispensaries.

And you say cuz we're "mad that someone said they should pay for something and [not] get it for free off from the hardwork of others." Nobody here said anything about free, except someone supporting the prices saying basically I wish it were free but it's not. Dude, look at your reputation after 1,170 something posts - it's non-existent. That can only mean one thing; that people don't generally like you! I'm new to the board, but in the week or two since I've been here I can see why.

You suck man, let the patients ask for more reasonable prices cuz what they're asking for is only reasonable access, and perhaps many people in the production industry is confused, but the first people that Medical Marijuana laws should benefit is the patients, not the producers. The producers already make enough money, even without it being legal.

There's absolutely no reason that deregulation of a manufacturing market should cause price increases for the public, unless the system is corrupted and over a period of several years after deregulation few companies end up monopolizing the entire marketplace and conspiring to drive prices up. Deregulation should never lead to an immediate price jump upwards, and the proponents of deregulation of any industry always argue that it will bring the price down, because logically that's the only thing that can happen in the immediate term.

In any case of deregulation of any marketplace, if the producers immediately begin making a higher profit than they were before (which they are in this case, since they can be open about it and thus can serve many more customers - they're getting filthy rich compared to what they're used to, because they've been able to cut out all the middlemen and bring their product straight to a higher number of customers) while the customers recieve higher prices than before, that's always an example of the producers taking advantage of the new rules and of their customers.

It is plain and simple that any grower today is making more money serving more people because of the deregulation of the market than they were in years past, and that the legitimate patients are more often than not being raked over the coals by greedy businesspeople. This is no different than what happens in mainstream medicine, I'll give you that, but let's not pretend that it's not happening because it is.

I'm from Connecticut where there is no medical marijuana. The price there for good bud $35-45/8th and great bud is never more than $50/8th. Maybe it's because we're closer to Canada or Vermont or Maine or something, I don't know but I always imagined that Colorado was one of the good places to get pot too. You know, one of the producer states, where you can go to get really good pot for really cheap and bring it back home to enjoy; but I was wrong. Colorado has had medical marijuana for so long that apparently big business is already taking over the marketplace and gouging patients just like in any other legal healthcare industry, and the prices that patients have gotten used to paying are so much higher that even the street level dealers are jacking up their prices in order to take advantage also. Connecticut is not even a place that grows a lot of pot, we're just nearby some places that do, but to residents of Connecticut the finances of the Colorado medical marijuana market is a nauseating joke, the same way that the finances of Wall Street banks can be a nauseating joke. It might be funny if it weren't so disgusting.

The industry as a whole is gouging here, and as I pointed out in the other thread you can find plenty of caregivers and growers in colorado who offer good prices for great medicine, but they are the exception, not the rule, and anything over $300/oz is more than I would ever pay in Massachusetts or Connecticut, two states without current medical marijuana laws (in Connecticut possession of less than an ounce is still a felony) and two states which compared with Colorado, have all but nonexistent domestic production industries. I bet the price in Colorado was cheaper twelve years ago when there was no legal medical marijuana.

[palerider7777]

Palerider, you're a scumbag. We've been over this exact same issue in a different thread (the Colorado Dispensary Reviews thread) and in that thread you gave up and now you're crying because patients are tired of being ripped off by greedy dispensaries.

And you say cuz we're "mad that someone said they should pay for something and [not] get it for free off from the hardwork of others." Nobody here said anything about free, except someone supporting the prices saying basically I wish it were free but it's not. Dude, look at your reputation after 1,170 something posts - it's non-existent. That can only mean one thing; that people don't generally like you! I'm new to the board, but in the week or two since I've been here I can see why.

You suck man, let the patients ask for more reasonable prices cuz what they're asking for is only reasonable access, and perhaps many people in the production industry is confused, but the first people that Medical Marijuana laws should benefit is the patients, not the producers. The producers already make enough money, even without it being legal.

There's absolutely no reason that deregulation of a manufacturing market should cause price increases for the public, unless the system is corrupted and over a period of several years after deregulation few companies end up monopolizing the entire marketplace and conspiring to drive prices up. Deregulation should never lead to an immediate price jump upwards, and the proponents of deregulation of any industry always argue that it will bring the price down, because logically that's the only thing that can happen in the immediate term.

In any case of deregulation of any marketplace, if the producers immediately begin making a higher profit than they were before (which they are in this case, since they can be open about it and thus can serve many more customers - they're getting filthy rich compared to what they're used to, because they've been able to cut out all the middlemen and bring their product straight to a higher number of customers) while the customers recieve higher prices than before, that's always an example of the producers taking advantage of the new rules and of their customers.

It is plain and simple that any grower today is making more money serving more people because of the deregulation of the market than they were in years past, and that the legitimate patients are more often than not being raked over the coals by greedy businesspeople. This is no different than what happens in mainstream medicine, I'll give you that, but let's not pretend that it's not happening because it is.

I'm from Connecticut where there is no medical marijuana. The price there for good bud $35-45/8th and great bud is never more than $50/8th. Maybe it's because we're closer to Canada or Vermont or Maine or something, I don't know but I always imagined that Colorado was one of the good places to get pot too. You know, one of the producer states, where you can go to get really good pot for really cheap and bring it back home to enjoy; but I was wrong. Colorado has had medical marijuana for so long that apparently big business is already taking over the marketplace and gouging patients just like in any other legal healthcare industry, and the prices that patients have gotten used to paying are so much higher that even the street level dealers are jacking up their prices in order to take advantage also. Connecticut is not even a place that grows a lot of pot, we're just nearby some places that do, but to residents of Connecticut the finances of the Colorado medical marijuana market is a nauseating joke, the same way that the finances of Wall Street banks can be a nauseating joke. It might be funny if it weren't so disgusting.

The industry as a whole is gouging here, and as I pointed out in the other thread you can find plenty of caregivers and growers in colorado who offer good prices for great medicine, but they are the exception, not the rule, and anything over $300/oz is more than I would ever pay in Massachusetts or Connecticut, two states without current medical marijuana laws (in Connecticut possession of less than an ounce is still a felony) and two states which compared with Colorado, have all but nonexistent domestic production industries. I bet the price in Colorado was cheaper twelve years ago when there was no legal medical marijuana.

the lil insults show your age as does your view on life. did i read correctly u wanted to come here to buy great bud on the cheap and take it back to your state?why?dealing? hummm. im a scum bag cause i said the biz have every right to do there biz the way they want and instead of crying like a lil baby about it and it's so free and easy to do then quit being so lazy and do it yourself? im a scumbag for that? damn what has the world come to.no wonder the gov does what it does.

you want to know the # 1 reason the shops are charging what they charge? your not very smart or either u don't think to much ahead on shit 1 of the 2?

i'll break it down for the simple minded,

it starts with the grower most shops have to buy just like anyone else it's called "product". where do they buy it from u guessed it the grower. now lets talk about this grower first he has to buy seed 15 to 20 per seed on avg say 100 for the grow starting out.if he sticks to that strain he can clone after that.k then the setup your looking anywhere from 1500 to 3k depending and that bill keeps going each time btw.then nutes about 150 to 300 per grow depending, soil or other medium 50$,every 1k of light u can add about 40 to 50 onto your bill a mo,then the stress from leo and robbers and anyone else finding out.fyi even tho it's legal i damn sure don't want leo or anyone else to know im doing it. why? what so peeps can be keepin there eye on u?nope.


then the knowledge comes in my dad used to own a locksmith biz and would open cars for 25 each and make keys for 75 to 100 each.and he would go to open the car and it would take him 10 to 20 secs.and sum people would say wow that was fast and a waste of my money u just made 25$ for 30 secs of work.my dad would reply you paid for my brain my knowledge.now to sumone like u that sounds like a rip off? sometime he would say hey u owe me nothing throw the keys back in the car lock it and say get in it yourself smart guy.

what they did'nt know was that had a 2k a month phone ad,1k a month building rent,400 a month light bill,and sold about 15k a month in products keys,locks and safes and so on. now people like u only picked up on 15k a month wow there all his bills paid right there...wrong 15k in sales don't mean u made 15k about 5/8 to 3/4 of just the 15k went to paying back the product he bought get it?

back to the grower shall we? so after all that the grow just plunked outta his pocket then we add up his time in the garden?or does that not count like any other job? thats like saying toby keith just made an album and he's charging 20 each what u gunna say wow all he's doing is singing and they charge that much wow look at all the money he's making"not taking in to account it's done in bulk".

so it's a full time job growing then comes the long part of trimming hunched over a bucket or where ever hours on end depending the size of crop.so in your big huge brain how much do u think the grow should get? say he pulls down 2lbs every 2 1/2 months how much u think he should get? 50 an oz? that would be 1600 for 2 and a 1/2 months of his money and time on the line thats it 1600? i say 50 an oz cause your bitching about 300 being to high and in order for the shop to turn a profit the grower would have to get next to nothing for it.even if i said 100 an oz thats 3200 for 2 1/2 months work,time,stress,his own money being spent.

basicly what your saying is fuck the grower and or fuck the shop thats making it so u can get it in a safe place?

like i said it's so easy and free u do it and quit whining simple.

[NatureLover]

Once again, your focus is on the producers, not the patient. I don't need to say any more than that. Your worry is about the grower, not the patient. Your patients, if you have any, must be really happy with you for always looking out for your own interests before theirs.

[NatureLover]

Incidentally, the only black market dealer in boulder I've found has high grade medicine for $160/half ounce. That's $320 an ounce assuming he cuts you no break and I haven't been to or heard of any dispensaries in Boulder selling it for that cheap. And he doesn't even grow it. How is it that it's so much more expensive for those producers who have to deal with less interference from law enforcement, and who have much larger customer bases?

[HighPopalorum]

At the risk of further encouraging this childish tit-for-tat, I think Naturelover might be slightly underestimating the amount of regulations dispensaries are subjected to. In fact, dispensaries are subject to all the same regulations and oversight that other businesses are. At one dispensary I visit, the owners were tearing out handrails and staircases because they were not up to code. Blackmarketeers are not subject to government regulation or taxation, only interdiction. As I speak, my city council is drafting new regulations for dispensaries in the city limits. The county won't be far behind. I don't think that deregulation is a useful term to describe what is happening, since dispensaries are subject to numerous state, local, county, and federal regulatory regimes, from the health department to the IRS.

There's absolutely no reason that deregulation of a manufacturing market should cause price increases for the public, unless the system is corrupted and over a period of several years after deregulation few companies end up monopolizing the entire marketplace and conspiring to drive prices up. Deregulation should never lead to an immediate price jump upwards, and the proponents of deregulation of any industry always argue that it will bring the price down, because logically that's the only thing that can happen in the immediate term.

In any case of deregulation of any marketplace, if the producers immediately begin making a higher profit than they were before (which they are in this case, since they can be open about it and thus can serve many more customers - they're getting filthy rich compared to what they're used to, because they've been able to cut out all the middlemen and bring their product straight to a higher number of customers) while the customers recieve higher prices than before, that's always an example of the producers taking advantage of the new rules and of their customers.

Also, what sources do you cite for dispensary profits? I don't doubt that there are some profitable operations out there, but I'm just curious where you're getting your information.

Not trying to be a dick, just want to know more.