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[ChrisIndica]

Doob, that's an amazing story and a true testament to the medicinal qualities of MMJ, I'm sure if you had the quality and quantity of medicine you needed your symptoms would be alleviated all the much more. Your situation is dire when moving across the country becomes a realization for your well-being. And I believe you need to improve the quality of your life by making that medicine more available to you. But as you mentioned there's a lot needed to start up your own MMJ grow. Having a bachelors degree in plant biology; I know that it's a big endeavor setting up/maintaining hydroponic systems. It's easy to mess up and has a high start-up cost and requires a lot of specialized machines, tools, materials, and space.

What your doing is absolutely not wrong and you need access to your medicine.

I went to my eye doc this last Friday and my left eye from surgery had a 47 gluacoma pressure up from the ideal 12 from a week ago.
Just had the eyeball pulled from the socket and stitched the retina so that high pressure was close to tearing it all up.
Had a tiny ass pinch of a small bowl full of seedy junk and smoked it with old pipe tar/resin the night prior to my morning appointment.
LMAO
The eye pressure was 3 below ideal at 9.
Go back this Friday due to ongoing inflammation from the surgery which is serious enuff so don't want a torn retina again, be a lost eye for sure.

What I'm asking is what am I doing wrong?

[MadSativa]

^^ thats not nessesarily true, one does not have to use hydro, infact solki is better, and if one has an existing green house away from the public eye that is even better than light setup. One of the big things in having a grow op or a dispensary would be to have classes in house to teach by showing patients, what to do. I have recently gone to Oaksterdam, to learn what I could, and to my realization, I already knew all what they were teaching their. And I am not an biologyst (I know my spelling is horrible), I learned what I know from books, videos, You Tube, and from friends grows. I was able to help friends when they had serious problems, because of the knowlege of people here on Canny.com. I am too the point where I now listen to everything they guys at greenhouse seeds say. Just from watching a few hours of these guys you will have some knowlege of what you need to grow.

If we were to have a dispensary, all this knowlege could be shown in front of patients, then have them do it them selves, so no qestions are left unanswered. Even if a light is needed they can be baught for very cheep online, and all other things needed can be bought at lows or home depot.

People are always quickly detered to grow when it comess to lack of knowlege, but in the mountains I have run into herb growing naturaly. The reson I know it is natural is because it is always their every year, full of seeds and mostly stringgy hemo looking very few buds sites. So right their that proves their are strains that will grow in the natural NM environment. It is all a matter of having it hiden and compliing with the rest of the Medical application needs.

It is posibble to have no knowlege of plants or food or dirt, and have a successfull grow, I have seen it. More than likely it will not be medical grade but it is a start, but more than that, if given the knowlege and shown the way, I am very confident anyone could have succesfull medical grow for themselves, the dispensarary is just for finding what strain is best for that individual patient.
In the despansary they would have axcess to seeds, clones, baked goods, buds, hash, and knowlege of those who do it all day every day. That is the biggest reson for a dispensary, because once everyone sees and learns how easy it is to grow, then growing for your self is the best way, their are lots of care takers, but few with the knowlege needed.
that is what the dispensary is for, buying bud is only one of the benifits, haveing a choice of dozens and dozens, of strains, is one of the biggest positives for a dispensary. While I was in Oakstedam I talked for a while with a elderly lady who was not convinced she knew enough about growing. While we were sitting in the class listening to the instructor speek, she was telling me she grows the most beautifull flowers. And it turns out growing flowers is much harder than groing herb, she just needed to see how easy it was, in the end she was givning sugestions to the instructor, and he was even suppreised. She already knew how to prepare water, and soil, she just never grew Cannabis before.
I know for a fact, once people hone in on what strain they find helps them the most, they will be buying more clones and seeds, than bud, and realy that is the goal. And the dispenasry will move more towared, growing those extremly expotic strains, such as sativas, those strains which they would normaly not grow on their own beacause of a higher skill level...mostly.

that is why we need a dispenasary, not just to buy herb, but for the knowlege it should bring, to the state. A place where pateints can come and hang out and learn even if it is learning from hangout and watching video. Alot of people have never seen, shows like SUPER HIGH ME or Hemplands, or Stain Hunters. Strain hunters or any GREEN HOUSE SEED COMPANY, video is highly advised to veiw if you have never seen it, their on youtube if you cant find them else where. Thats why people still have these stigmatas of.....But ill be put on a list,........or its not federaly legal..............., or whats the point.

if their is a list who is to say they cant pencil you in, so to say when they want to. and the resone we all are in it because the numbers can not denie even to the feds that this state wants medical cannabis, Cali has had their problems, but it is somewhat rare to hear about feds going after individuals and not dispensaries. Those numbers that they have is what we need here, when the cards are in the 1000's no one can denie what the state wants.
as to the point, being able to cary 6 onces on you and its legeal is enough of a resone for me. I have been caught up in the system in the past, it is no slap on the wrist, especialy when their just looking for stuff to tag on you, a drug charge, and a speeding ticket, or a drug charge and a wepon in your possesion, it builds up quick and all you were doing was picking up in that old red truck, and got a speeding ticket. jails here are still full of people who got itno it with the wrong cop and realy all they had was a foul mouth and a sack of herb on em.

[ChrisIndica]

mad, please post links with the information on soil grows being better than hydro. Hydro is proven to be a faster finisher than soil in the 1-2 week range.

And with temps outside reaching over 80 degrees Fahrenheit outside many days of the year, this will severely retard any growth that may have otherwise occurred in a regulated environment.

Growing inside allows up to six crops per year. You get to regulate every aspect of plant development. True plants will get more light outside, but anything over the 10,000 lumen range the plant will just metabolize out of its system anyway. Proper lighting and space will circumvent this and allow much better quality buds to be produced.

This is only possible in a greenhouse with huge tarps covering the crop to regulate the amount of light plants will recieve, Most of which are far too cumbersome for one individual let alone someone with a debilitating business. And you still have the temperature issue of many months with 100 + degree temps. AND there's also the security issue of anyone coming along and stealing your garden.

[MadSativa]

Your right hydro does finish faster, and is possible to produce higher yeild and from what I hear even a higher potency.
But most cannabis cup winners if not all (other than the old hydro cups) are soil grown, not outdoor but indoor. And to the novice Soil is relativly easy to manage, but to some hydro is quickly picked up and easy as well.
Their is nothing better than outdoor though no light made can mimic the sun, but with the NM program outdoor is mostly out of the question.
The price of green houses alone are far more than a indoor grow, and for despencery resons hydro would be a good resone to go but all strickly hydro is also not good. In soil taste is know to improve greatly and the levels of potency dont go up that much in comparison to hydro. I would think both would be used; hydro for Lab Control and testing, and Soil for those certin phonotypes, that you want to offer to the public.

Ill tell you when you see a plant in the ground after a thunder storm, their is no denieing, the power of nature. Some of the best Cannabis was made naturaly in environment like NM, (mostly Northern NM but theri are places as far south as ABQ where the temp in summer never goes above 78-80 F.) such as Northern Lights, and many other Indicas. As far as the Desert part of NM I think hemp might do well but anything with THC probly not so well

[Doobee]

Thanks for your encouragement, as it helps plenty.

I've come a long way is likely an understatement.

Up until about 6 months ago I was very much opposed to any legaliztion of cannabis.
Still am for all other drugs and want booze taxed the daylights out of as are cigarettes, tobacco.
My change in attitude, opinion based on facts, etc was an unexpected turn of events.
It started with my notion that I wanted to try that all praised high-grade medical quality of California fame.
I'd not had a toke for decades pretty much and my neighbors enjoyed the crappy Mex which led me to partaking with them and so on it went.
Couldn't have cared less if I got a buzz every night or once every few months.
Well my neighbor's failing time and again to score even a 1/4 of the swag led me to ask around.
A person knew a person from California who smokes the med grade.
Took weeks to come about but it did.
In the month and more that followed...I saw a welcomed change in my day to day life.
Body and joint pain left me and the associated depression lifted quite a bit.
My once always lost motovation to do much of anything chores wise began to return and other improvements were noticed.
All of what I experienced was unknown by me and so it was I began my search to learn why.
When I saw the facts in and our own government making false claims and all I realized even though I was current on the nuances, I was far behind in the actual facts.
As I did my research I discovered Rick Simpson and his discovery.
That cancer can be cured and with nothing more than some consentrated THC oil.
http://www.phoenixtears.ca/index.html

After I went thru a nightmare of emotions realizing my mom and dad, grand mother, might well have been alive this day had our government not lied, I settled into how it all applies to me and my life.

Having little money on a modest, fixed income and no real source to even buy some high grade med quality I did what I could.

Even the crappy Mex did more and so much sooner than even I could believe and I saw the results with my own eyes on my own face.
I was shocked and doubting my eyes.

Four days and two applications of THC honey from crappy weed did what I thought was merely an exagerated fair tale.
The several cancer places on my face were gone.
Gone!!
Alas they have returned because I did not keep up the routine, as I ran out and the cannabis was skittish to even buy.
A gay guy up the street was getting me some bud when available and knew about my medical use of it.
He is a flaming prissy kinda queer and thought I was odd at the very least to use pot as a medical benefit.
Well, he had a spot on his precious forehead from a stick poking him last summer and it never scabbed over and healed.
Always the scab coming off and the small open area that was damp from drainage.
He saw my forehead two days after I used the THC honey(oil) and was estatic.
Soooo....me the nice guy had him come over and I made some THC oil for him and applied it and put a bandage over it.
Unlike me who did not use a bandage full of the oil and is really what's needed.:wtf:
He ignored my instructions to let it be for a few days until he went to his dermatologist for an exam to have that unhealed unjury looked at to then later be removed.
18 hours later here he was at my door with all the drama a queen could ever have.
His forehead looked fine and no unslightly bugger of an old wound.
He now was elated he looked so much prettier and he could now go to all the Pride Parades on the West coast!
His doctor examined the spot and only saw a healed tiny bump and no cancer from the Q-tip swabbing.
Well no shit!
The cancer was killed so no swab would find any.
The gay guy told the doc of my treatment for him and even mine and how great it actually worked.
the doctor told him there are many false healings from many a home remedies and not to make anything of it.

Now, my young 20s something neighbors are both in the medical field and saw all the before and after results and could only say maybe it worked, likely not.
Why?
Because if cannabis does kill cancer and cures, then everybody would have known about it and cancer would be cured.
Where's all the documented studies they asked?
I told them and steered them to the places to start learning from.
They still are of the insistant opinion that there's little known and surely no cures to be of note worthy attention.

If anything, I've learned just how difficult it is to sway others by way of the facts.
Also learned why the move towards legalization is met with brick walls and negative public opinions.

A weed of a plant that cures and helps medically and has no lethal dose nor complictions in light of how well it works.

Too easy and too simple.

And all along in full view in our faces.

And I could really appreciate your knowledge and help soon when I get the set-up for a grow,
I am planning on a hydroponic system cabinet as soon as my property sells and the money is in the bank.
To think a higher, up to 40% more yeild, would result in this way of growing seems to make sense not to grow any other way.

I have the beans now so all's left is everything else. ~sigh~

Got a dozen super white haze that is supposed to have a 8 week harvest time.
By the end of June I hope to have a couple of Mason jars full of sticky sweet buds!
Meanwhile....I so badly need some high grade to keep up with the cancer treatment.
Hence, why I have to consider moving to California or Oregon.

Here in Albuquerque those who have the high grade won't sell any and those who would do not have any.

Kinda pisses me off when another can get some high grade for me but won't because I am not a bonified mmj card holder and the Cause is in danger if they dare sold any to any no-card criminal.

These same hypocrites don't have their mmj card and so buy their cannabis illegally...from yet another who is not a mmj card holder.

Maybe it's me....dunno.

But if I had access to the high grade and someone asked me to get it for them and they were atleast serious in their endeavors medically, I would be more than happy to and would do everything and then some so I could to score for them.
For damn certain if I had my own grown I would let them purchase what they needed from me and I'd keep them in supply so long as they needed and I had buds ready for them to dump in a bowl.
I can understand the logic not providing for a teenager stoner who was a drain on the Cause.
But to cop-out with a grown, mature and responsible adult??
No way.

Sooooooooo far to go it seems.

Doob, that's an amazing story and a true testament to the medicinal qualities of MMJ, I'm sure if you had the quality and quantity of medicine you needed your symptoms would be alleviated all the much more. Your situation is dire when moving across the country becomes a realization for your well-being. And I believe you need to improve the quality of your life by making that medicine more available to you. But as you mentioned there's a lot needed to start up your own MMJ grow. Having a bachelors degree in plant biology; I know that it's a big endeavor setting up/maintaining hydroponic systems. It's easy to mess up and has a high start-up cost and requires a lot of specialized machines, tools, materials, and space.

What your doing is absolutely not wrong and you need access to your medicine.

[MadSativa]

I am confused, your are using cannabis as a topicial agent, as in a medicin to a cure?? I have not ever heard of this, I know we do not know alot of this plant but this .......this is well I have no words for this, this sounds AMAZING! It would not supprise me, but I did not expect this kinda of "cure" you say you apply the cannabis oil, you mean oil extract or oil infused with cannibis though heat? You say you apply it to the wound, or is it a cancer sore? I think if you are seeing evidence in the positive, you need to write a paper and send it off to the medical Universitys, such as UCLA, or Berkely, EVEN give The guys at Oaksterdam University, a heads up about this, becuase you truly might be on to something, .....I have never even herd of a topical cannabis agent other that lip balm or lotion, and I think they use hemp in these products, not THC, I have herd of smoking to aleviate pain form sever burns, even smoking to help skin conitions, such as sunburn, but never in a topical form. I have herd of ancient uses where they used it as you are saying, but they are close to 1000 years old, and I never thought much truth to it, because I did not know the process in which they were using it. Whether they were rubbing buds on their skin or making a oil extraction.

I realy think you need to share this with people who would find it usufull, such as people in the medical testing feild, that are pro Cannabis, so we dont have to worry about, false tests.

[ChrisIndica]

Helping a Medical patient get a hydro-set up this week. Just need to drop in the clones and she's all set. Purchased a 4'x4' complete NFT system for under $70 with most parts coming from home depot. Not including light or nutrients.

Light is a 90w LED light??? I've only heard of these before but never in operation before. I'm really excited about this b/c it's supposed to have the same output as a 600w HID HPS light, use 1/8th of the energy, very little heat, last 10x longer, and b/c it uses only the two spectrums of light that the MJ plant absorbs at optimum wavelengths red and blue, glows purple and grows purple buds.


Going with foxfarm brand of liquid ferts with one soluble. I like them b/c they have charts available with a soil AND hydro schedule of amounts to feed per gallon. Grow big, big bloom, tiger bloom, and cha ching. Cha ching is a product unlike any other I have ever seen in that it's an essential oil promoter. You know that nice aroma and taste that the herb has? those are called terpins, or essential oils. Well this product in addition to making the buds really dense, makes the productions of those terpins go crazy. make it very pungent and stinky! in the last couple weeks is when u really notice the difference. I also like the general hydroponics system for it's ease of use. In my experiences; using chemical based nutes over organic promotes a harsher smoke, even when leeched properly.

Overall should be a very nice setup and with proper care and maintenence, provide all the medicine she needs to help with her condition.

[Doobee]

Hi ChrisIndica

I tried for a couple of days to reply here on this post....but alas this site is lacking tuning.:wtf:
That is, many times the posts will not show up.

This is an ideal example of knowledge is money.

I've been looking into a complete hydro system cabinet.
Includes everything.
The price is about $2000.00!
Granted, it IS complete...but soooo much $$$$.

I have super white haze seeds for my first grow now but hesitate dropping one into a pot w/o any grow lights, etc. in the meantime while I stay poor.

What you did for another is quite generous of you.

The LEDs are very...VERY expensive and so I assume the $70.00 does not include the LED?
If one is able to spend alot for LED grow lights then the running cost is drastically reduced.
I have used LEDs for my Deco lamp and glass displays and they are great.
They are not hot and use so very little electricity they can be lit anywhere without concern.

Anyways.

I should have some money available in a couple of weeks so I am seriously getting down to bizzness so I too can get growing and going.

I would more than ever appreciate your help if you are inclined to.

The seeds I got are stated to flower in 6-8 weeks to harvest in 8 to 10.

I'm fairly well versed on the overall but am clueless about the nutes and details like start and pot replants add whatever else.

I've read thru many reads on beginner grows and such but the infomation and particularly the steps all in all become a haze of confusion.
That is to say the overall picture is lacking terribly.

Like most any learning curve there are phases to go thru and in short time everything becomes simplier and clearer.
But until such time I cannot afford to ruin the whole grow as a learning experience.
Realize there will be blunders and I expect such.

I've learned alot and yet my thoughts are I learned pretty much little to nothing.
And I really don't want to read off of step by step by page instructions.
I know me and I would be buried in quagmire going step by step by step over and over until my brain will take in the all if it all.

Helping a Medical patient get a hydro-set up this week. Just need to drop in the clones and she's all set. Purchased a 4'x4' complete NFT system for under $70 with most parts coming from home depot. Not including light or nutrients.

Light is a 90w LED light??? I've only heard of these before but never in operation before. I'm really excited about this b/c it's supposed to have the same output as a 600w HID HPS light, use 1/8th of the energy, very little heat, last 10x longer, and b/c it uses only the two spectrums of light that the MJ plant absorbs at optimum wavelengths red and blue, glows purple and grows purple buds.


Going with foxfarm brand of liquid ferts with one soluble. I like them b/c they have charts available with a soil AND hydro schedule of amounts to feed per gallon. Grow big, big bloom, tiger bloom, and cha ching. Cha ching is a product unlike any other I have ever seen in that it's an essential oil promoter. You know that nice aroma and taste that the herb has? those are called terpins, or essential oils. Well this product in addition to making the buds really dense, makes the productions of those terpins go crazy. make it very pungent and stinky! in the last couple weeks is when u really notice the difference. I also like the general hydroponics system for it's ease of use. In my experiences; using chemical based nutes over organic promotes a harsher smoke, even when leeched properly.

Overall should be a very nice setup and with proper care and maintenence, provide all the medicine she needs to help with her condition.

[MadSativa]

2000 jesus you are only allowed to grow 4 flowering plants, at that rate, even keeping a mother is not advisable, it is cheaper and better to have 4 massive plants and one huge light such as a 600W or a 1000W. A hydro set up is very cheep. from 50- 200 dollars for the best, more so enviormental controls are more expensive, but your room is small so a grow ten would be best. But if you have room, sheet rock and 2x4 are the same price about a 120 bucks. a hydro system can be perchased for the same. 2000 is a very high amount for such a small grow room. I think in the minimum, including a light you are looking at 1000, in the max with light you are looking at 2000 and that is including CO2 and a complete enviormantal control system.

Also the LED UFO type lights sound good, but I have seen some grows with it personaly, and I am not convinced, on the LED craze. but a lumitek digital ballaest I am. they are sold at AHL on SanMateo. I have had experiance with all the ballest, from sunfarm to Bghydro, and the best I have found are the new type lumateck, power consuption goes down but, light out put gows up. If you get a 1000W the power consuption rarley gets any where close to 900W consumption, but the lumin output is usually much more than a traditional ballest.

Whate ever you choose, I highly advise a cool toob or a any sun cool system, and use a rather big fan to push some cool air into it. Also vent the air out side the room or outside entireely .In such a small space, heat from a 600/1000W is the biggest enemy.

[Doobee]

The hydro cabinet automatically does everything.

I had the link saved on my desk top but will have to find it all again.

It regulates the organic nutes and even keeps the PH balanced automatically.

Basically add water from time to time when it says low on water level.

It has the in/out fans, charcoal filter and lights and is sealed and 2 sides...one for veggie/flower and the other for the 'lil potties or the mother.

Even keeps the water circulating.

Realize mighty mucho money but it is purpose built and does it ll no muss no fuss.
They say it is stealth to the point you can have it fully growing in your living room with the TV ob top of it and no one knows a thing.
No odor...no noises.

2000 jesus you are only allowed to grow 4 flowering plants, at that rate, even keeping a mother is not advisable, it is cheaper and better to have 4 massive plants and one huge light such as a 600W or a 1000W. A hydro set up is very cheep. from 50- 200 dollars for the best, more so enviormental controls are more expensive, but your room is small so a grow ten would be best. But if you have room, sheet rock and 2x4 are the same price about a 120 bucks. a hydro system can be perchased for the same. 2000 is a very high amount for such a small grow room. I think in the minimum, including a light you are looking at 1000, in the max with light you are looking at 2000 and that is including CO2 and a complete enviormantal control system.

Also the LED UFO type lights sound good, but I have seen some grows with it personaly, and I am not convinced, on the LED craze. but a lumitek digital ballaest I am. they are sold at AHL on SanMateo. I have had experiance with all the ballest, from sunfarm to Bghydro, and the best I have found are the new type lumateck, power consuption goes down but, light out put gows up. If you get a 1000W the power consuption rarley gets any where close to 900W consumption, but the lumin output is usually much more than a traditional ballest.

Whate ever you choose, I highly advise a cool toob or a any sun cool system, and use a rather big fan to push some cool air into it. Also vent the air out side the room or outside entireely .In such a small space, heat from a 600/1000W is the biggest enemy.