First grow - Help me grow my baby, it's drooping!!

[Rusty Trichome]

The Fox Farms stuff is pretty good stuff. (it's what I've used for the past few years) Instructions are for weekly application rates. Seedlings get 1/4 strength, a couple of weeks later you can up-it to half strength...but they'll let you know if they want more. You can replace Superthrive with the Big Bloom. No real need for both. Before you purchase all sorts of additives, ammendments and suppliments...get used to using your base nutes. (the Fox Farms stuff) You can go broke very quickly "impulse-shopping" for the little ladies.
A cieling fan may be good for ventilation, but they'll need air circulation (a fan) on them to create a breeze. This strengthens the stem, provides fresh air, and dispurses the heat from the lights.
Still too small for transplant. Give it a few more weeks, unless you're wanting to change soil. If anything, that pot is too big as it is. Very doubtful you are seeing roots out of the bottom yet. Likely they're not even reaching the bottom yet.

Looking back at your troubleshooting form: (sorry, was just waking-up during my last post)

How are you going to flower the plant, if it get's to that point? You'll need to keep light away from them during the dark periods. All night, every night...total darkness. Flowering in a working bedroom is a good way to ruin a grow.

ph is a tad low, but still within the lower-limits. Nutes will pull that number even lower, tho. Learn how to adjust your tap water. Unless the quality is super-crappy, it's a waste to purchase water.

Put the lights about 2 - 4 inches from plant, and leave it there till you need to raise them. Dicking with light intensity can stress a cannabis plant. A thermometer is really a necessity for a newbie. Would get one asap.

For next time...It's a bad idea to take from outdoors, and bringing them indoors. Likely will bring bugs in with 'em. (some bugs leave their eggs in the soil)

Keep them off the floor, and away from direct A/C vent. Too cold, and they start to complain.

That's all I can think of right now, and my legs are falling asleep anyway, lol.

[TheWhiteRider]

Rust Trichome,

Thank you for such an elaborate reply, it's just what I was looking for.

I will go ahead and get the Fox Farm soil and nutes and start using them once the plant is ready for it. Once I receive the FF nutes I will get rid of the ST.

About the current size of the pot... I chose it because when I started I was not even aware of this forum and had no actual cannabis growing knowledge whatsoever. I realized after reading many posts that the size of the pot IS too big just like you said, and that it's better to transplant 3-4 times. Next time I will do things much more different, such as starting in a 3" pot or cup or something and then transplant appropriately. But I will have to contradict you in the fact that the roots ARE coming out from the bottom (just two in a single hole out of 8). They were very small at the 2 weeks and are now much bigger, but not overflowing. I think the fast root development is due to the MG.

As for the flowering period... I know that they need very strict drakness perios and for this I will put the plant in my room closet (where there is no ventilation, but I think that at night the plant doesn't require as much CO2 as during the day (is this correct or not). I thought plants transpired during the day mostly. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

As for the fan, I will get a new small fan to aim more towards the plant and give it some more fresh air and stem strength development as you suggested.

The A/C vent is not directly blowing towards the plant, it's just right above the plant.

But anyways, thanks for the comments and please stay close to give me some more great advice!! :thumbsup:

[veggii]

hey umm use the happy frog next grow for seedlings and then transplant seedlings into FF/OC soil and follow the FoxFarm nutes schedule after a couple sucsessful grows start looking into advanced nutes/amendments and stuff as things get expensive fast! and you really want to know how too tell whats going on with plants by looking at them a wrong diagnosis can be fatal.
go easy on all nutes etc and flush once a month and be prepared for the emergency flush! you are know a Cannabis EMT ! lol got ph tester? they sell the liquid ones cheap and read stinky's logs! she knows her stuff! keep your grow area clean and sanitized good luck

[TheWhiteRider]

What's the difference between the Happy Frog Soil and Happy Frog Conditioner?

I thought that using FF/OC in addition with nutes is too hot for the plant? Maybe too hot for vegging but not for flowering?

[stinkyattic]

Too much water
MG soil is too 'hot' for seedlings, and 'moisture control' indoors is not good- it stays too damp.
You MUST run CalMAg Plus when you use distilled water.
Distilled water is not acidic in a way that matters; its ionic strength is incredibly low and the pH reading is irrelevant. Unless your tap water is HORRIBLE, use it.
Don't spray seedlings or any plant with distilled water, and avoid spraying with plain water. This is called 'reverse foliar feeding' and leaches mobile nutes right out of the leaves.

Plan for your flower time... that's a small space.

[el chupanebre]

Don't spray seedlings or any plant with distilled water, and avoid spraying with plain water. This is called 'reverse foliar feeding' and leaches mobile nutes right out of the leaves.

Is it alright to mix neem oil with distilled water to foliar spray the plants?

[stinkyattic]

That's fine, because you are not going to mist them to the point of runoff, or even enough to have to worry. Go VERY LIGHT on neem applications. Use the finest mist you can. Hair-care products come in bottles with fine mist sprayers, FYI.

[the image reaper]

That's fine, because you are not going to mist them to the point of runoff, or even enough to have to worry. Go VERY LIGHT on neem applications. Use the finest mist you can. Hair-care products come in bottles with fine mist sprayers, FYI.

be real careful with them 'hair-care products' ... :S2:

[stinkyattic]

Haha REap, I gotta worry more about the hat thing- you know when you were a kid and some clucking auntie would warn that if you wear a hat too much your hair falls out? lol! I can't live without a nice Sox hat to hide under

[TheWhiteRider]

Here is an update.

I kept the plant in the same soil until yesterday afternoon, when I finally got the Happy Frog Soil and the Perlite. Before I transplanted, it wad doing real bad. I flushed it two times (once with a decent amount of ST) in an attempt to flush the nutrients out of the Miracle Grow shit. The plant was still droopy, and the leaves were all getting yellow. I even had to cut the first node of leaves because they were dead, yellow and brown. You can also notice some nute burn from the Superthrive in one of the pics. I think the plant was seriously locked out because it was not growing at all (maybe 2" per day and nodes coming at quite slow).

Once I transplanted it, things started looking better. For the transplant, I waited until the soil was dry. I tapped it from the bottom and it came out. I noticed 1/4 of the bottom of the soil was surrounded by white roots. They looked quite healthy. Then I put it into a new pot of the same size (since bigger would not be beneficial I think, it's still a small plant) with a layer of 3/4" Perlite stones and then a mix of 70% FF + 30% Perlite. Most of the MG is still there, but at least surrounded by well aerated Happy Frog.

In addition, I added a box fan blowing at slowest speed. Before, there was not enough direct fluid movement around the plant so this is much better. Temperatures dropped thanks to the convective cooling and stem movement increased due to the flow of air. So hopefully the stem will get stronger.

Good news is that the plant looks much better even after only 1 day!! You can see in the pics that the top leaves are much greener with no nute burn on the tips. The plant grew the most it has this last day. The top node came out about 8 mm, a record so far (for me at least ).

I will keep you guys updated, and sorry for the long post. I just wanted to log my progress in here for other people to study and use as reference.