I love living in a police state... :(

[the image reaper]

good post, daihashi :thumbsup: ... I've often thought if the civil-rights activists of the 60's were trying to legalize pot, it would have been done years ago ... but, they were OUT IN THE STREETS, risking a head-bashing, not hiding in dark rooms, stoned in front of the TV, saying "wow, man, I sure wish they'd legalize this stuff" ... :wtf:

[flyingimam]

we have lost some of our freedoms. i doubt anyone can disagree with that.

I for one cannot dare to criticize government's policies these days, especially regarding the security issue, without fearing of being spied on or runnin into trouble by the government or its official or unofficial agents (yeah, they will use any measure available to get u, just check)

But I wouldnt go as far as calling it a "police state" u wanna know what police state is? police state is saudi arabia where women are considered 2nd hand citizens! police state is Iran's government which wont allow u to have male-female relationship in any form but marriage and will detain opposition people on regular basis without a warrant or cause or any further info... for months no1 not even their families or lawyers know where they are being held or whats being done to them... Police state has a very strong meaning

maybe we have taken some "Police state steps" but we are still far from being a true police state.

that said, i dont find many of these steps justified. and i would say many of us differ on our definition and belief of freedom than what government thinks or many of establishment supporters believe. I still appreciate the freedom and material prosperity I have here, no matter how half-assed it may be...

u just must have actually lived in a police state like me to understand what I mean...

I have problems with our system, a good number of them, but hey, the day i consider US to be a true police state, i will not even say it... i will just leave it! and its not that day yet! so try to utilize what options that u got, thats still technically gonna work, it will only require lots and lots of persistence and it will require logic and patience, reform and change, smalling a giant government cannot be done overnight or in 1 or 2 presidential terms cuz it will have adverse consequences like many jobs lost etc...

we, the citizens must be pro-active, more than just bitchin about government and taking no action, we are the ones who can still gather signatures, we are the ones who can still bycott an election to show our distaste for candidates, we are the ones who can still peacefully protest, even in front of president's ranch! we still have our word that can get out there... dare sayin a word thats disliked by a police government or its society there... your ass will go "missing - location unknown" and if u r lucky u will get a not-so-fair trial after they beat u up or torture u in other ways to get confessions of treason and working for "enemy" to use against u in court.


i give u the right to bitch about it, but be fair, dont blame one side or another, cuz all sides have done their share of the mess... there is no 1 side or party to blame, plus what good will blaming do when its not followed by serious effort to push for a change... left and right kept blaming each other for years and still we have same old issues @ hand, none did anything about it, cuz they kept baling each other that they dont let each other work...

i get where u r coming from, dont get me wrong, and i tell u its because alot of us the americans have failed to do our part in politics which is active participation...

look @ our history, blacks were "slaves" merely materials when they got here, but they didnt just sit and bitch about it, while they were obviously pissed @ their situation, THEY TOOK ACTION, pro actively protested, even if that meant breaking then racist laws. and now look @ what has been achieved,

and it did take them a LONG TIME to get what they were looking for and still there is room for improvement... 1700 to 1964 and still there were and are shortcomings!

so my point being, take some action, send a letter every month to your governor, senator, state reps, state legislators, etc. they do subliminal brainwashing on us, why not we do the same to them, it will cost less than a few bucks! thats the least u can do

[daihashi]

so my point being, take some action, send a letter every month to your governor, senator, state reps, state legislators, etc. they do subliminal brainwashing on us, why not we do the same to them, it will cost less than a few bucks! thats the least u can do

I know I just quoted the end but your post is one of the best I've read in the politics forum for a while and echos much of what I tell people here in regards to activism and change.

Excellent post :hippy:

[Markass]

I'm with I.R.....doing the same shit today that I was 30 years ago. So what freedoms have you lost?

Have a good one!:s4:

The worst is yet to come :thumbsup:

I saw the DEA tv show on spike where they received an "anonymous tip" in detroit and they used infrared to find a grow house...The same infrared that's been ruled unconstitutional..The patriot act really opened this whole 'warrant' thing up for broad interpretation...especially since our government insists that drugs and terrorism are closely related..

[daihashi]

The worst is yet to come :thumbsup:

I saw the DEA tv show on spike where they received an "anonymous tip" in detroit and they used infrared to find a grow house...The same infrared that's been ruled unconstitutional..The patriot act really opened this whole 'warrant' thing up for broad interpretation...especially since our government insists that drugs and terrorism are closely related..

Two words... radiant barrier. :hippy::hippy::hippy: At least I think that would work.

[Weezard]

The worst is yet to come :thumbsup:

I saw the DEA tv show on spike where they received an "anonymous tip" in detroit and they used infrared to find a grow house...The same infrared that's been ruled unconstitutional..The patriot act really opened this whole 'warrant' thing up for broad interpretation...especially since our government insists that drugs and terrorism are closely related..

Three letters,
L E D. I KNOW that works.

Thanks, Daihashi


Aloha,
Weezard

[flyingimam]

Three letters,
L E D. I KNOW that works.

Thanks, Daihashi


Aloha,
Weezard

there u go! ty u wizard n daihashi

[8182KSKUSH]

The worst is yet to come :thumbsup:

I saw the DEA tv show on spike where they received an "anonymous tip" in detroit and they used infrared to find a grow house...The same infrared that's been ruled unconstitutional..The patriot act really opened this whole 'warrant' thing up for broad interpretation...especially since our government insists that drugs and terrorism are closely related..

I am certain that I saw this same episode, I tend to watch shows like this.
And I am really sure that they weren't using the IR to obtain the warrant, that they had undercover agents/informant buy from the grower, which is how they got the warrant. I believe the IR was a scare tactic, purposefully televised to scare growers and make them think exactly what you posted.
I could be wrong though.:jointsmile:

[flyingimam]

I am certain that I saw this same episode, I tend to watch shows like this.
And I am really sure that they weren't using the IR to obtain the warrant, that they had undercover agents/informant buy from the grower, which is how they got the warrant. I believe the IR was a scare tactic, purposefully televised to scare growers and make them think exactly what you posted.
I could be wrong though.:jointsmile:

i think they may actually use it, what it comes down to, is that landmark supreme court ruling says that is search n seizure u must have a warrant. so it will get thrown out of court if its the only evidence and is warrantless or if it is used first b4 obtaining any other evidence [most likely, im not sure]

what an idiot, was this guy on the show selling from grow location?

[Markass]

I am certain that I saw this same episode, I tend to watch shows like this.
And I am really sure that they weren't using the IR to obtain the warrant, that they had undercover agents/informant buy from the grower, which is how they got the warrant. I believe the IR was a scare tactic, purposefully televised to scare growers and make them think exactly what you posted.
I could be wrong though.:jointsmile:

they didn't have a warrant, they were using the 'tip' as probable cause...