Master Kush, Aurora Indica Perpetual Grow

[8182KSKUSH]

"So why do you have a key lock on that bedroom door?" My mother inlaw asks me while she was here visiting recently.

So you don't open the door walk in, have a heart attack and die on the spot! I keep large highly venemous snakes in there, no cages, they just hang from the ceiling fan!

As for the rest of you here, welcome to my grow! You have a key to the room. Enjoy.

Be nice!
Here it is, my very first grow log. My hope, is that by posting this, I will be able to get some great criticism, as well as be able to maybe help some other folks out as well.
So lets get to it.

The rundown on this show.
I am running,
-10 Master Kush (Nirvana) From Seed
-10 Aurora Indica (Nirvana) From Seed
-3 Lowlife Lowryder Mystery Indicas (Freebies)
-1 Green Crack (Fingers Crossed, very likely a Feminized Seed, I do have
Reverse)!

Lights
- 2x 400 watts, (Alternating them on off, 24 hour Veg)
- 2x 400 watts, HPS Flowering
- 1 T12 (For Mommies, clones)

Soil
- FoxFarm LightWarrior/FoxFarm Ocean Forrest

Nutes
- Advanced Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Grow, (If needed)
- Advanced Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Bloom (Soil & Hydro Formulas Both
Available)
- CalMag/ Liquid Karma

Ventillation
- A big fucking can fan, it sucks big time.
- A big fucking carbon filter, w/ can fan for exhaust
- A 6 inch inline duct fan, as well as a booster in the closet of my
bedroom blowing air into the ducting. The 6 inch in line is in the
grow room at the end of the ducting for intake

Temps
- Maxing out @ 85*, as low as 75* if I am lucky. (Maxing at 85 with 1
running, if I run both then they max out at 89-91, which is why I am
running just 1.

Misc
- For now I am using RO H20, this may change in the future. I am not
sure yet, I keep debating, my tap is horrible at about 380ppm around
8.5 ish ph! Once they get more mature I may feel better about
switching them over to it. Plus, getting and lugging the needed amounts
of RO is going to be a pain in my ass soon.
- I have a large recessed window area in the back of the room, this is
covered by a large piece of panda plastic, it will be my mom/clone area,
I will just have the window behind it open to get air in and out of there,
it's not 100% air tight, but it's pretty much air tight. I have yet to test
it for 100% light tight, (if it is not it will be though. It will be tested.)
- The flower area is in the main area of the room, which is now where I
am vegging these seeds. Once I am ready to flower, I will be taking
cuttings from the females, moving them to the "nursery" and veg them
out to get 2 moms of each strain. From there I will be running clones
from those moms after that and putting the clones into flower.

Purpose
- Pretty well covered it above, just to get a nice harvest for one, but to
also capture some of these genetics as mums, and run straight from
clones in the future.

That's it. If I forgot anything just ask. Here are some pics of the general setup and overview.:jointsmile:

8182KSKUSH Reviewed by 8182KSKUSH on 09-07-2008. Master Kush, Aurora Indica Perpetual Grow "So why do you have a key lock on that bedroom door?" My mother inlaw asks me while she was here visiting recently. So you don't open the door walk in, have a heart attack and die on the spot! I keep large highly venemous snakes in there, no cages, they just hang from the ceiling fan! As for the rest of you here, welcome to my grow! You have a key to the room. Enjoy. Be nice! Here it is, my very first grow log. My hope, is that by posting this, I will be able to get some great Rating: 5

[8182KSKUSH]

I am going to say this is at Day 1 veg.
Really they were started from seed, so they are now at the point of having 5 sets, or getting there 5th sets in as I type.
I had a little trouble a week or so ago, they were originally germ'd in RR, in 16 oz party cups, in addition to ph issues (too high) they also became root bound before I realized it! They did stunt for a week, and some lower leaves went brown and dry, but they have since recovered amazingly, and have been transplanted to 1/2 gallon pots, with FFOF, Ph runoff is at 6.8 with the RO H20 in at 6.6-6.7, nothing added, just 1 drop of superthrive per gallon. They have had 2 watering (1 at transplant) and yesterday with superthrive. They have greened up and rejuvinated well. Growth is now vigorous. Temps may have also played an issue early on, as I was using both 400 watt lamps, and the temps would get as high as 91, and as low as 86. I have since cut back, thinking that may have been overkill anyway, and my temps are now more acceptable at the highest 85, but maintaining around 82 to 83.
Here are some pics of the plants.
The first are the 10 AI
The second the 10 MK
The third an AI, #4 I think, it has always been lime green for some reason since it popped.
The rest just individual pics. Nothing very note worthy as of yet. The small light colored pots are the LLLR MI, I have treated them like red headed step children, they were free. So we will see what happens I guess.
I also have 1 greencrack baby in there, it's up at the front, non distinguishable from the rest really, it actually suffered the most early on and I thought that it was a goner. Somehow it pulled through though, and the new growth looks good now. It looks like it only has 3 or 4 sets of leaves, but the cotelydons, and 1st set completely dried and fell of before I transplanted.

[8182KSKUSH]

Above, the 4th pic is an AI, and the 5th is a MK.
Here are some more pics of my "palm tree farm".:jointsmile:

The 4th pic is the GreenCrack that had a near death experience.
The 5th is a MK, that has looked all fuct up and retarded ever since it came out of the ground. It is continuing to grow, just looks weird.:wtf:

[Dutch Pimp]

Looking good...KUSH...:thumbsup:

Only minor thing I can add...would be to introduce fresh air as often as possible...:twocents:

Good Luck....:greenthumb:

[8182KSKUSH]

How exciting! Thanks DP, I forgot to really explain that.
The ducting underneath the carbon filter goes back to the back wall of the closet. Through it, and attached to a flange that is in the back wall of my bedroom closet, then in front of that in my bedroom closet, I have a big ass Lasko blower trained right on the 6 inch hole, forcing all the nice a.c. air from the master bedroom, into that ducting, into the grow room. 24 hours a day. I did add a 6 inch inline right in the end too to help enhance the air flow into the room, the lasko fan pushed a ton, and the exhaust alone without the intakes creates a significant negative pressure situation, but with the 2 fans working together, that is really the jist of my intake air. I do have the house a.c. vent in the grow room as well, but that doesn't amount to too much. (It's on and off)
I have thought about getting a couple of more flanges, cutting a couple holes in the panda plastic over the nursery, and fitting some more ducting onto that. Then just letting that act to 1., move air through the nursery, and 2. act as an additional passive intake for the main flower area. I would love to just chop up the walls a little more, but my wife already had a friggin' hemroid over the 6 inch hole in the ceiling for exhaust to the attic, and the 2 6 inch holes in the backs of both the closets. So doing any additional will have to be through that nursery door taking advantage of outside air, just not sure if I can do it and keep it light tight. Not to mention it was about a 100 friggin' degrees outside today. But I know that later on this year it may pay off big if I can make it work.

On a scale of 1-10, how "critical" do you see this? Given the exhaust and intake are both running 24/7? I really have no idea what the air exchange rate is in there, but it does get a constant supply of fresh air from the living areas of the home through that intake. Do you think it may need more? I know it would help to get my temps down likely, but as far as the plants future health? (As they get bigger and respirate more?) Let me know in your professional opinion sir! Thanks again, I feel very privileged to have your 2 cents! I welcome any and all suggestions that you may have!

[Dutch Pimp]

Growing indoors, in hot weather is a major challenge. I don't even attempt it. I only grow in the fall/winter/spring.

I used my house ac/heating system to supply my small piss-ant grow room with fresh air, too. I just opened a window in front of the intake of my central air system. All air in my grow room, came from this source. It supplied the fresh air, added heat when necessary, added RH when necessary and added cooling when necessary.

Your #1 objective is to maintain: 70-85 degrees between the canopy and the lights and 40-60% humidity. IMO.

[8182KSKUSH]

Gotcha!
Now if I could figure out a way to get both lights running and keep the temps under 85.
Maybe later this year once avg daily temps get down, I will bite the bullet and try to get a passive/light-tight intake setup through that nursery door. Not looking forward to it. I'll be more pissed if I go through the trouble and it still doesn't get my temps low enough! With my luck, that is what will likely happen!

[Dutch Pimp]

IMO, you don't need both 400 HID lights for vegging. Are those MH light bulbs?...they look very "white" light. I use T12 floros for the first 2-3 weeks vegging before I switch to a 400 watt Hortilux HPS or lately 400 CMH bulb.

[8182KSKUSH]

Yes sir. MH's
I figured for the vegging that both were overkill, (at least that's what I kept telling myself after I stopped running both, good to get an expert opinion too, makes me feel tons better about cutting the second one out!)but looking ahead to flower, that's when I would like to use both 400 watt lamps, with the HPS's. I just keep agonizing in my mind over how I will get the temps down, and trying to rationalize whether or not it would be worth it.
If I have to keep the lights higher than desired, then I will have stretching, too low, heat stress, so I dunno. That's why I want to figure out now how to get the temps down.
Down the road, once I get past this first run and into flowering, I probably won't be using the MH's for anything. The nursery behind the panda plastic wall, will have some cheapo t12 lights, one, maybe 2 to run moms and clones, but like I said, I really want to run as much as possible with the HPS. I just don't want to get into a situation where I am hitting a point of diminishing returns if I have to compensate for the heat in some way. I know what the best solution is, but I don't have the cash on hand now to get a larger wattage, sealed, air cooled hood and new ballast to push it.

My local hydro shop does have the air cooled hoods, they already have sockets, but they are set up for digital ballasts, and both my 400 watts are the old style, with the cords hard wired to them. So I don't know if splicing is even an option, I am thinking not. I am not sure if I would be able to get my current sockets in the hoods either, and I don't want to buy one and then find out I can't!
I have been keeping an eye on craigslist. But I hate to go buy anything off their, then have to go to some weirdo's house that I don't know, ect....

I could just run my flowering with just 1 400 watter, and keep the other handy for backup. But I would rather get both of them running, the coverage for 1 isn't that great for the table I have, but 2 will get the job done.

As for the "whiteness", I dunno? But yeah they are MH's. It may be all the panda plastic? I have the tray underneath my table, it's pp, and pp all over the floor, of course the walls are just flat white, so maybe it's just the light reflecting alot, or my camera, or the way I took the pictures? Now that you say that, the pics do look really white, in the room it doesn't seem that white when you are in there, but I agree, those do look really white.

Thanks for the input! Keep it coming! Anything, any little thing at all, no matter what, as this log grows, be sure to let me know. I want to fine tune everything as much as possible, don't want any air buds, I need nice tight, dense nugs! :thumbsup:

My last run, I finished 2 plants and got 4 oz, it was so bad, and I am so spoiled I guess, that I just turned it all into QWISO, I couldn't stand burning the flowers! I don't ever want that to happen again.:jointsmile: On the bright side, I learned tons from it, and I know I won't be making those mistakes again, but hopefully now, with your help and the help of the other green thumbs here, I won't make too many new mistakes either! That's what I am hoping anyway! I have some high expectations for this round, and the rounds to follow, luck is not an option for me!

[Dutch Pimp]

MH's give off a "white" light...better for vegging. I've seen enought pics to see the difference between MH and the yellow/red of HPS lights...

I would kill to have two 400 watt'ers....for flowering. But, first you got to get though this tricky veg cycle. You say, "old style" 400 watt lights?...magnetic ballasts?...if so...I think, they are better, more dependable that digital ballasts. CMH bulbs work great in magnetic ballasts.

...anyways...the Uv rays from MH's are tricky...watch for leaf burn. I found it's better to "offset' plants some, under the light. Seedlings are very, very tender. And rotate plants, too. (but, not with the light on, I burned my knuckles doing that...)