Palin Slashed Funding for Teen Moms

[daihashi]

This is one of the GOP's issues that I can't agree with. Fact is, you tell a teen NOT to do something you can bet that he or she will out of either spite or curiosity. If they want to promote "do not fuck", they had better promote oral sex as an alternative food group. :thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

My problem with this is that the general population doesn't take responsibility for their own kids.

I think abstinence should be taught in school and other forms of birth control should be taught by the parent. We're all adults, we've had sex, we know how to prevent babies. Why do we need to invest tax dollars into a sex education class for something the parents can do themselves if they feel it is in their families best interest?

This is another example of people placing responsibility somewhere outside themselves.

I could care less if teens are having sex or abstaining but I don't think the government has a place to educate our children. If anything they should be sending parents to a sex education class to help instruct their children.

A teacher won't express the consequences and importance the same way a loving family member would. It also doesn't have the same impact coming from someone you have no relation with (teacher) as it does with someone you have a solid bond with (parent).

[purplehaze11]

Actually Parenting is the failed policy. Ultimately the consequences your child faces directly reflect the beliefs you've instilled into your child. Don't you feel first and foremost such a sensitive matter should come from the parents?

While I do agree with the fact that parents should teach their kids the majority of their sex-education, the thing is many parents will not do this. There are a lot of parents out there who are either a) too naive to think that their kids might start having sex at age 16, or b) too embarrassed to teach their kids about contraceptives. Now I'm not saying parents should feel this way, but there are definitely a large portion of them who do. What would the negatives be from teaching contraceptive use in school? I think it should be taught to supplement whatever the parents have taught the kids, or in certain circumstances to fill the void that the parents have left by either their naiveté or embarrassment.

Who ever said it was the school's job to teach children about sex?

No one, but hey who ever said it was the school's job to teach kids about drugs? Sex, like drugs, is a sensitive subject and sometimes it is more effective for trained professional educators to provide knowledge and information.

[purplehaze11]

A teacher won't express the consequences and importance the same way a loving family member would. It also doesn't have the same impact coming from someone you have no relation with (teacher) as it does with someone you have a solid bond with (parent).

I respectfully disagree. Just because a parent tells a teen to do something does NOT mean he or she will do it. In fact, oftentimes just the opposite happens; rebellious teens are notorious for doing the exact opposite thing as their mother and father told them to do.

[dragonrider]

I think abstinence should be taught in school and other forms of birth control should be taught by the parent.

Actually I think this is exactly backwards and should be the opposite. The topic of human sexuality, reproduction, and birth control (including, but not limited to, abstinence) are all valid clinical health issues that should be taught in school. Personal moral and religious beliefs are best taught at home or in the church.

I think the people advocating for abstinence-ONLY sex education are not doing it because they truly believe that abstinence is the BEST contraceptive and should be the only method taught because it is so effective. They advocate for it because they believe it is amoral for kids to be screwing. Let the schools teach the facts and let the parents teach the morality.

[DaBudhaStank]

I think abstinence should be taught in school and other forms of birth control should be taught by the parent.

Wow. That's all thats even worth saying to this statement. Nothing like giving the religious right everything they could ever hope for....

[8182KSKUSH]

Wow, this is a really lively discussion!
Lot's of good points from both sides.
I like P4B's best, MORE ORAL SEX!

[daihashi]

Wow. That's all thats even worth saying to this statement. Nothing like giving the religious right everything they could ever hope for....

No, it has to do with some things need to be taught by a parent. Do you take your kid to school to teach him how to ride a bike? It's something a parent should do.

Why don't you tell me how what I said was so terrible. What is so terrible about putting the responsibility into the parents hand. The parents who raised and cared for this kid. It is a parents responsibility to keep a child safe. Part of that safety is talking about sex.

Wow.. that's all I have to say to you. Wow.

[daihashi]

While I do agree with the fact that parents should teach their kids the majority of their sex-education, the thing is many parents will not do this. There are a lot of parents out there who are either a) too naive to think that their kids might start having sex at age 16, or b) too embarrassed to teach their kids about contraceptives. Now I'm not saying parents should feel this way, but there are definitely a large portion of them who do. What would the negatives be from teaching contraceptive use in school? I think it should be taught to supplement whatever the parents have taught the kids, or in certain circumstances to fill the void that the parents have left by either their naiveté or embarrassment.

So tell me... why is it the job of the government to make up for bad parenting? That's my only issue with this. If people would parent their kids and take responsibility for themselves then we could probably save a lot of money through various programs.

Personally I don't think it's the job of the government to teach sex education in public schools because their parents are too lazy, stupid, or scared to do it themselves.

No one, but hey who ever said it was the school's job to teach kids about drugs? Sex, like drugs, is a sensitive subject and sometimes it is more effective for trained professional educators to provide knowledge and information.

I don't think that it's the school/governments job to do that either. Again I think that's a parents role.

[daihashi]

Actually I think this is exactly backwards and should be the opposite. The topic of human sexuality, reproduction, and birth control (including, but not limited to, abstinence) are all valid clinical health issues that should be taught in school. Personal moral and religious beliefs are best taught at home or in the church.

The last time I checked birth control was neither a moral or religious belief. It was just birth control. Maybe I'm naive though? From my point of view I don't understand the need to use government funds to tell kids how to put on a condom, what birth control is and what the consequences of having sex are. These are all common sense things that a parent can and should address. I just don't think it's the role of the government to teach kids how to use birth control.

I think the people advocating for abstinence-ONLY sex education are not doing it because they truly believe that abstinence is the BEST contraceptive and should be the only method taught because it is so effective. They advocate for it because they believe it is amoral for kids to be screwing. Let the schools teach the facts and let the parents teach the morality.

I believe abstinence works the best, but I'm a realist and know kids are going to have sex. I really believe schools need to place more emphasis on abstinence. I know when I was in highschool I felt like they were almost advocating for me to go out and buy condoms and have sex. It was weird.

[TheMetal1]

If anything they should be sending parents to a sex education class to help instruct their children.

That statement is probably more valuable than you intended when you wrote it :thumbsup:

Since when can we blame children for acting like idiots? Haha. While education is definitely a key issue, whether it be from teachers or parents, I think many overlook the role society plays on influencing young people. All the education in the world is no match for a scandalous TV show that glorifies indiscriminate sex or deviant behavior. Plain and simple. Maybe if people lead by example... teens would understand WHY sex has to be taken seriously, instead of just HEARING that it should be. We are a culture of adultery, promiscuity, and separation. Good or bad... whatever... it is what it is. We are also HUMAN. The drive for things like sexual intercourse, intimacy, and reproduction have been a part of our brain for a very very long time. For us to ignore the fact that we physiologically NEED to acheive that type of relationship, at whatever age, is plain ignorant. When young people see people in media or real life engaging in various types of sexual behavior... the curiosity is absolutely overpowering. Trust me... I was recently young :stoned: We should not expect a teacher to hold a teenagers hand through life... just like we can not expect a parent to be there ALL the time. We need to educate COLLECTIVELY. Whether we like it or not, television raises a good percentage of our nations young people. Now, people ALWAYS claim that this is bad. I completely disagree. The problem behind this type of education, is that we have completely lost control of what is shown in these media outlets. Now, I don't claim to be the moral authority by ANY means. I'm just saying that, with the amount of influence the media has in society... how can we expect anything other than mirrored behavior from those people that spend a majority of their time watching that television? I think we need to educate parents... educate teachers... educate students... educate children... educate ourselves... and most importantly, demand more responsibility from the media for the way they subconsciously influence young people. Adults should be old enough to know better than to believe what we see in movies and tv as fantasy. Young people do not have the life experience to see through that fantasy. Those little subliminal messages, that we ALL know exist in propagan... (woops) television ... really do play a more impacting role than many are willing to admit.