Palin Slashed Funding for Teen Moms

[dragonrider]

The last time I checked birth control was neither a moral or religious belief. It was just birth control. Maybe I'm naive though? From my point of view I don't understand the need to use government funds to tell kids how to put on a condom, what birth control is and what the consequences of having sex are. These are all common sense things that a parent can and should address. I just don't think it's the role of the government to teach kids how to use birth control.

If you thoguht I said birth control was a moral or religious belief, you misunderstood. I said the opposite. I said teaching about it was part of giving a person a clinical understanding of human health, which is a perfectly legitimate school subject. In my high school it was part of a Health and Safety and Drivers Education class that covered a wide range of subjects designed to teach people to make safe choices as they started making their own decisions about things. It didn't seem like a big waste of moeny to me --- I liked it. I think everyone kind of ridiculed it at the time, but actually liked it and learned something.

The other thing I said was that those who advocate for ABSTINENCE-ONLY education do so out of their own moral convictions, not out of a legitimate concern for public-safety. Teaching moral values is somethng to do at home. Teaching clinical facts is for school.

[rebgirl420]

Well I do not agree with her abstinence only sex education program. However I do not hink that I should have to pay for any knocked up teenage mother or any other person who has a child without having the means to support it.

I believe that schools should have to teach all forms of birth control AND abortion to their students. Religious views should not be the basis for what schools teach children. I also feel however that parents should also teach their children about the various forms of birth control, abortion, the plan B pill and much more.

[flyingimam]

what relevance does palins daughter have. shes a christian with christian values that she wants to push on me, and her christian daughter got pregnant while unwed. i have a problem with that because she wants to push god on me. remember god told her to do it. thats a big problem cause its the same as the muslims sayin allah told me to do it

you want change, mccain and bush basically voted together on everything but torture.

i want kids to be educated about diseases and pregnancy. you dont want education? they learn more about sex on tv falsely, so how would it hurt to learn it in school. isnt education good?

when palin first started as gov. her spending per person was about 800, the rest of the country was about 35. she wasted as much money as anyone else. she has no experience. the most experience she has is do we have enough snow for the snow mobile race.

Amen!:thumbsup:

I also feel however that parents should also teach their children about the various forms of birth control, abortion, the plan B pill and much more.

Yeah, thats 70% of problem to me, parents are not doing whats called "parenting" these days... and they just bitch about it that schools dont do enough, um, schools aint day cares!

I have too many kids in my apartment block and they run around from 3rd floor to 1st floor, and their parents have not taught them that, when u run down the stairs of a crappy apartment complex the whole building shakes, feels like a mild earthquake! even worse the keep hitting the basketball down in the walkways and stairs too!

who should teach 'em about a simple commons sense thing like that? school?
and then we expect the parents to open up on their kids about "sex ed"

most of such parents have kids now cuz they didnt have "sex ed" themselves!
*unwanted kids* that they really dont care much about or for that matter raise in the right way!

[purplehaze11]

So tell me... why is it the job of the government to make up for bad parenting? That's my only issue with this. If people would parent their kids and take responsibility for themselves then we could probably save a lot of money through various programs.

Personally I don't think it's the job of the government to teach sex education in public schools because their parents are too lazy, stupid, or scared to do it themselves.




I don't think that it's the school/governments job to do that either. Again I think that's a parents role.

Unfortunately every kid in the country doesn't have two parents who are always going to be around to mentor their children. Guess what, shit happens. Who is going to teach those kids about sex education or drugs, they'll have to learn that information elsewhere, so shouldn't it be from trained educators rather than just random people on the streets? We shouldn't punish kids just because of irresponsible parenting or circumstances that are out of a person's control.

[daihashi]

Unfortunately every kid in the country doesn't have two parents who are always going to be around to mentor their children. Guess what, shit happens. Who is going to teach those kids about sex education or drugs, they'll have to learn that information elsewhere, so shouldn't it be from trained educators rather than just random people on the streets? We shouldn't punish kids just because of irresponsible parenting or circumstances that are out of a person's control.

Since when does it take 2 parents to mentor a child. Every parent makes time, even if it's 30 minutes a day. You make time for your children; which is the exact point I was bringing up this entire time. Parents today do not parent enough, they do not make enough time for their children and to talk to them.

Education should start at the home and unfortunatley it's not, but you know what kids aren't stupid either. They would have to lead a very sheltered life to not know that if they have unprotected sex that there is a chance they will get pregnant. You act as if all teenagers are so naive.

Parents need to make time for their kids. There are NO excuses for this.

[DaBudhaStank]

No, it has to do with some things need to be taught by a parent. Do you take your kid to school to teach him how to ride a bike? It's something a parent should do.

Why don't you tell me how what I said was so terrible. What is so terrible about putting the responsibility into the parents hand. The parents who raised and cared for this kid. It is a parents responsibility to keep a child safe. Part of that safety is talking about sex.

Wow.. that's all I have to say to you. Wow.

What's so terrible is you'd rather have the school teach the least practiced form (and therefore least effective) of birth control, abstinence, but have parents teach about contraceptives, wasting my tax dollars in the process. I see absolutely no logic in that except that you want Christians to dominate our schools with their rhetoric.

Schools are centers for education. In this day in age, with so many parents being forced to take dramatic steps just to keep working, they aren't exactly around as often as they used to be. Therefore, the relationship between child and parent isn't quite what it used to be. I'd send my kids to school to learn everything they can, not simply academics. As a parent, of course it'd be my job to teach my children as well, but it should be supplementary to what they learn in school, not contrary or in spite of.

In this day and age, if you don't go to school as much as you possibly can, you're largely screwed, so I think I'd prefer it if they taught as much as humanly possible. I'm actually surprised that most dont teach about religions in more depth, that's something that REALLY needs to be taught.

[flyingimam]

I think sex ed must be in general curriculum of all schools @ the right age, because we all know there are always those families/parents that fail to do their job in this regard and this is something that will hurt all of us as a society, now with 1 teenager out of 3 with an STD and STDs becoming so normal, it will cost us in health care and other ways

However, IT IS "ALSO" and initially the parents' responsibility to tell their kids about sex, but sadly since some parents for various reasons dont/cant do this, therefore schools must also teach kids about sex and safety, NOT abstinence! that is taught for those interested, for free in church! schools aint churches!

We have too many failed families to risk not teaching whats important to kids in school, u must always know, its not the poor kids' fault if the federal government or whatever politician dictates some nonsense to schools and cuts their funding for it if they dont practice it, nor is it the kids' fault that their parents cant/dont do their parenting.

So the tax money should be spent in this regard, but in the correct direction! it will be beneficial to us as a society in the long run.

humans are not born with STDs @ first, so I don't know why any1 should have 1, if everyone "knew" how to be safe @ the right age, then we wouldnt have this embarrassing statistics!

[daihashi]

What's so terrible is you'd rather have the school teach the least practiced form (and therefore least effective) of birth control, abstinence, but have parents teach about contraceptives, wasting my tax dollars in the process. I see absolutely no logic in that except that you want Christians to dominate our schools with their rhetoric.

Schools are centers for education. In this day in age, with so many parents being forced to take dramatic steps just to keep working, they aren't exactly around as often as they used to be. Therefore, the relationship between child and parent isn't quite what it used to be. I'd send my kids to school to learn everything they can, not simply academics. As a parent, of course it'd be my job to teach my children as well, but it should be supplementary to what they learn in school, not contrary or in spite of.

In this day and age, if you don't go to school as much as you possibly can, you're largely screwed, so I think I'd prefer it if they taught as much as humanly possible. I'm actually surprised that most dont teach about religions in more depth, that's something that REALLY needs to be taught.

Why would I care about christians? I'm agnostic.

The problem is that parents don't talk to kids about this sort of thing. If they did I guarantee you there would be a lot less need for sex ed. Many of the social problems we see today stem from poor parenting. It's not that I Feel it's bad it's that we need to not make it so easy for parents to let other people do their job.

So if we start taking away these services and force the responsibility back onto the parents I'm sure there would be much more benefit aside from being educated about contraceptives and safe sex. Parents don't seem to have time for uncomfortable conversation for their kids. They'd rather let someone else do it. It's not just sex ed, there are many other services I'd like to see put back into the hands of the parents just for the sake that they should be instilling values into their children. Being forced to teach your child about these things would help enforce those values.

[DaBudhaStank]

Why would I care about christians? I'm agnostic.

The problem is that parents don't talk to kids about this sort of thing. If they did I guarantee you there would be a lot less need for sex ed. Many of the social problems we see today stem from poor parenting. It's not that I Feel it's bad it's that we need to not make it so easy for parents to let other people do their job.

So if we start taking away these services and force the responsibility back onto the parents I'm sure there would be much more benefit aside from being educated about contraceptives and safe sex. Parents don't seem to have time for uncomfortable conversation for their kids. They'd rather let someone else do it. It's not just sex ed, there are many other services I'd like to see put back into the hands of the parents just for the sake that they should be instilling values into their children. Being forced to teach your child about these things would help enforce those values.

Then I guess I have to respectfully disagree with you. We won't get anywhere here because we have fundamental differences in how people think. You believe force will produce results, regardless of the damage to children and society. I, on the other hand, don't. Just because we try to force these responsibilities on to parents has NO bearing on whether or not they'll actually do it. Also, I almost certain that 90% of teenagers, when told to or how to do something by their parents, will often go out of their way to not do it, or to do it their own way. It's simply the way young people are. Knowledge is objective; parents are not. By purposefully not giving our children this important information we do them a great disservice. School is there for a reason; to learn anything and everything we possibly can.

[illnillinois]

good, teens dont belong prego, parents need to pay for shit like that..

teach your children
fuckers.