What Specific Accomplishments/Experience Does Palin Have?

[TheMetal1]

Let me say that I do not belong to a particular party... and definitely have no idea who I'm voting for. Shit, I don't even know if I'm going to work on Monday :jointsmile: Just kidding... I have school that night too.

I just looked this up for the hell of it. I didn't read through it all, but I think it includes pretty much all that he was involved in.
THOMAS (Library of Congress)
- just do a Senator search for his name
I could be way off base as to what people are looking for as far as his experience, political impact, etc. I don't know what we expect out of these candidates. We make it seem like they need to cure cancer before they can be President. I understand they should be doing something while in Government... but daaamn. I know how hard it is to work collectively with other adults to make a decision on ONE thing.

Personally, I feel it is a lot more difficult to work with a bunch of people to make things better for EVERYONE... than it is to be a single head of a decision making body. Everyone has to go through the motions and red tape to get something done in a group... with a CEO type position, "BAM" stamped and approved. Groups have multiple individuals who are all fighting for the interest of their residents. That is the reason we need to have multiple branches of Government. With a sole position of power, the risk of abuse is increased greatly.

So, for the sake of arguing... lol... Explain how being the sole head of a decision making body is more difficult (more valid experience) than a person working in a large group with much more opposition and much greater competition for available resources?

[BigWeed]

All examples taken from her introduction to the nation tonight during her fantastic speech. I know, it may be hard to swallow for the devout cult followers of Obama. Too bad! As Gulliani said, Obama is the least experienced candidate in at least 100 years!:thumbsup:


So let's review.
1. governor of the great state of Alaska,
2. mayor of my hometown.
3. actual responsibilities. So you mean she couldn't just be "present" and still be considered doing her job. You mean she was accountable for what happened and did not have the luxury of being 1 of 100 people that "worked" on stuff! Oh!

You could stop right there as for experience, and argueably she has more executive experience than Obama or Biden for that matter. But let's go on.

4. I took on the old politics as usual in Juneau ... when I stood up to the special interests, the lobbyists, big oil companies, and the good ol' boys network.

5.
I came to office promising major ethics reform, to end the culture of self-dealing. And today, that ethics reform is the law.

Again, she was actually responsible for specific legislation with regard to this subject, NOT 1 OF 100 THAT VOTED YEA OR NAY! AND THEN CLAIMED ALL THE CREDIT! I believe this is called "governing".
6. by request if possible and by veto if necessary.
She has actually used the power of the veto whilst governing, and understands how to use it to get results!
7.
Our state budget is under control.
We have a surplus.
(Has Obama even run a small business? Let alone a city, or state, let alone budget any of them, and do it successfully? Um, no.)

8.And I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending: nearly half a billion dollars in vetoes.

9. I suspended the state fuel tax,
10. and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress.
11. I told the Congress "thanks, but no thanks," for that Bridge to Nowhere.
12.
And despite fierce opposition from oil company lobbyists, who kind of liked things the way they were, we broke their monopoly on power and resources.
As governor, I insisted on competition and basic fairness to end their control of our state and return it to the people.
13.
I fought to bring about the largest private-sector infrastructure project in North American history.
And when that deal was struck, we began a nearly forty billion dollar natural gas pipeline to help lead America to energy independence.

14. we Americans need to produce more of our own oil and gas.
And take it from a gal who knows the North Slope of Alaska: we've got lots of both.

Wow, guess there is a reason she is the most popular sitting govenor in the U.S. today. This is just the short list, and by the way, she is just the VP on the ticket, IMHO, her experience and accomplishments make Obama's pale in comparisson, and make it laughable that he is even running for president. I invite anyone to post a list of Obama's accomplishments and experience that qualify him for even a VP position, let alone the presidency. LMFAO ALL DAY LONG!!!

If she has more experience than Obama and Biden then she has more experience than McCain. McCain and Biden have been in the senate for decades. So she is the one that needs to be on top of republican ticket not McCain.:rasta::rastasmoke:imp:

[grow1964]

I think what many fail to understand is that there is little difference between the 2 parties anymore. In the end it really doesn't matter who gets elected or who has done what. They are all the same. Get into office and promise anything to get there. Once there make as many deals with big business as I can and enrich myself and my family as much as I can without getting caught. When reelection comes up talk about all the great things I did (Doesn't matter if their true, noone checks anyway) Then repeat the cycle.

Now where has this gotten us? Over 10 trillion in debt, 55 trillion in unfunded liabilities with SS, medicare and medicaid and the prescription drug bill. Who's making all the money from this? Health care, military industrial complex, and drug companies.

Oh and after the close of business today Paulson announced the government would be taking over fannie and freddie. Add another 5 Trillion to the taxpayers.

Just a s a point of reference, the GDP for the US is around 12 trillion. That's in a good year. 71% of the US economy is consumer spending. Consumers are pretty much broke and the credit they used to have access to is gone (Their homes)

Of that GDP number aprox 3 trillion is collected in taxes. So we have 70 Trillion in debts and 3 trillion a year to pay them off. Oh and of that 3 trillion a year 600 billion is used for the military. So if the government did nothing else and there was no interest on that debt then it would take them maybe 30 years to pay that off. Unfortunately there are a lot of other needs and uses for that money every year.

Bottom line is there is only one way out other than telling the rest of the world we default. Bernake will have to print money and when he does look out because inflation will ramp up and ramp up fast. Make sure you have some gold and silver. Buy some put it away and forget about it until you need it. Its not an investment, only protection from inflation and quite possibly hyperinflation.

So, this is why it doesn't matter which party is in office. They will both be managing the same problem. You can also look back into past years and past problems and noone can agree who was to blame. Thats the beauty of Washington. There is no accountability.

[flyingimam]

to me its like this:

Obama has not held any major executive roles neither has biden, obama does not have warmongering or military track.

McCain been into war n so did his father and grand father, n has picked some1 with executive exp for VP who to me is a hyporcite evangelist extremist.

i still can understand how will experience matter, when u have the same old crappy ideas behind it! McCain for the fact has been on Bush's side almost all the time!

for the record
Bush was governor of TX for a good while and it took him fucking forever on live tv just to react to the news of 9/11. did i mention his military record too?
George W. Bush military service controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


and then how did he react when he did react?
8 years later, Saddam is dead, hundreds of thousands of civilians are dead and more injured, along with US casualties.

and yet, the original supposed masterminds or leaders of those who carried out the attacks are on the loose without much being done about it!

also, half of our bill of rights, core of the whole idea of freedom and democracy [research roots of the word, has to do with people and their will] is literally useless and our rights are gone, just by his reaction and the republican dominated congress, full of experienced people like McCain.

oh, more to brag about: his father was president as well, a president who did indeed go to war.

looking back now, u think Bush was qualified for the job based on his experience? I think not!

and John Kerry at least was in Vietnam doin somethin, how come that didnt count as experience to handle the position of commander in chief? its better than a national guard pilot who mysteriously went missing when the time of real service came!

as i have said before, all this is just a show for the unwashed masses, simpletons who will buy into whatever populist ideas they are given by sources they like. experience argument is just 1 example

Roosevelt is among the top 4 favorite US presidents based on approval ratings [ironically with GW leading both the least favorable and most favorable list]

and he barely had any executive experience except for a short while in navy
plus only 2 terms as a governor of New York after his failed VP bid in 1920.

yet his "policies and his thinking and ideas" made the major contribution to get us through the worst times of modern american history from a real messed up situation in depression to super power position!

Experience will "not matter much" when u look for "major difference and new ways" in the direction of the country.
at least not in the case of these 2 candidates, forget VPs!

unless u wanna tell me a president must have been into a war or military to be qualified for the job... which then brings on many more major questions to my mind about the essence of our system!

[8182KSKUSH]

to me its like this:

Obama has not held any major executive roles neither has biden, obama does not have warmongering or military track.

McCain been into war n so did his father and grand father, n has picked some1 with executive exp for VP who to me is a hyporcite evangelist extremist.

i still can understand how will experience matter, when u have the same old crappy ideas behind it! McCain for the fact has been on Bush's side almost all the time!

for the record
Bush was governor of TX for a good while and it took him fucking forever on live tv just to react to the news of 9/11. did i mention his military record too?
George W. Bush military service controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


and then how did he react when he did react?
8 years later, Saddam is dead, hundreds of thousands of civilians are dead and more injured, along with US casualties.

and yet, the original supposed masterminds or leaders of those who carried out the attacks are on the loose without much being done about it!

also, half of our bill of rights, core of the whole idea of freedom and democracy [research roots of the word, has to do with people and their will] is literally useless and our rights are gone, just by his reaction and the republican dominated congress, full of experienced people like McCain.

oh, more to brag about: his father was president as well, a president who did indeed go to war.

looking back now, u think Bush was qualified for the job based on his experience? I think not!

and John Kerry at least was in Vietnam doin somethin, how come that didnt count as experience to handle the position of commander in chief? its better than a national guard pilot who mysteriously went missing when the time of real service came!

as i have said before, all this is just a show for the unwashed masses, simpletons who will buy into whatever populist ideas they are given by sources they like. experience argument is just 1 example

Roosevelt is among the top 4 favorite US presidents based on approval ratings [ironically with GW leading both the least favorable and most favorable list]

and he barely had any executive experience except for a short while in navy
plus only 2 terms as a governor of New York after his failed VP bid in 1920.

yet his "policies and his thinking and ideas" made the major contribution to get us through the worst times of modern american history from a real messed up situation in depression to super power position!

Experience will "not matter much" when u look for "major difference and new ways" in the direction of the country.
at least not in the case of these 2 candidates, forget VPs!

unless u wanna tell me a president must have been into a war or military to be qualified for the job... which then brings on many more major questions to my mind about the essence of our system!

:S2::S2::angry3::angry3::angry3::S2::S2::S2:

I believe you may have missed the point entirely.
The question of experience with regard to Palin as VP was being raised by DEMOCRATS!!!! DEMOCRATS!!!!!

I merely answered the question. Now DEMOCRATS, don't want to talk about experience anymore. How funny is that?

BTW, McCain has executive experience as well, while he was in the military. So, actually, the democratic ticket has the only 2 people with zero executive experience. At least Biden has some kind of past record,(although heavily misguided) at least he has one. It's going to be ANOTHER bad election year for democrats. Good news though, when Bush is gone you all can start bashing Palin! Oh and McCain, because of course he is Bush III right? Oh and of course you can continue to cry about Bush too, even though he will have no relevancy at all, just the same way you are doing now in this thread! I can't wait until Nov 5!:jointsmile:

[dragonrider]

Kush, I'm going to clean up this list of Palin accomplishments you posted since you seem to be counting things that are not actual accomplishments, and counting some twice.

1. governor of the great state of Alaska --- For 20 months. Notice that everyone counts this in months, like the age of a baby, because it is such a short amount of time. Calling it 2 years is exaggerating, but calling it a year and a half isn't giving her credit for the last 2 months. So you have to be really precise and call it 20 months. At the end of the year she will have 4 more montsh, and will be 20 percent more experienced, and it will be a lot simpler just to say 2 years. That'll be great. I can't wait for that 2 year mark.

2. mayor of my hometown --- of 5,000? or 7,000? I went to college in a town almost this small once. It was actually about 8,000 residents but it would swell to twice as big when the students came to town. There were actually more students enrolled in that tiny university than the enitre population of Wassila. Neato. I used to go to City Council meetings to watch the mayor in action and report on it for the paper. It was real presidential stuff, like where to put stop signs. There were a lot of code variance applications. They voted on garbage rates. It was a part time job and they met almost twice a month. It's so exciting to think I was rubbing elbows with people who were only 20 months away from being qualified to lead the most powerful nation on earth!

3. actual responsibilities --- Kush, I don't think you can count "actual responsibilities" as an accomplishemnt. It just seems kind of vague.

4. I took on the old politics as usual in Juneau ... when I stood up to the special interests, the lobbyists, big oil companies, and the good ol' boys network. --- Kush, this one seems kind of vague too. I don't think you can count this one as an accomplishment either.

5. I came to office promising major ethics reform, to end the culture of self-dealing. And today, that ethics reform is the law --- This legislation was already before the legislature before she even started her campaign, so I don't think she gets to keep this one.

6. by request if possible and by veto if necessary --- true, she has vetoed.

7. Our state budget is under control. We have a surplus. --- This one is mixed in my mind. I mean Alaska has so much money from oil and pipeline revenues that they have been giving away about $1000 or more free cash money to residents every year since the early '80's. I don't think they even have income tax or property tax. They are swiming in oil cash. How hard can it be to balance a budget like that? Have they EVER had a deficit? I understand the most challenging political issue in Alaska is how to carve up the MASSIVE surplus that they get from oil revenues and federal spending. That'll come in real handy in Washington.

8. And I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending: nearly half a billion dollars in vetoes. --- Kush, you don't get to count vetos twice.

9. I suspended the state fuel tax, --- I guess so. I wasn't able to check this.

10. and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. --- Well, this is one of those "championed" or "worked on" kinds of accomplishments you ridicule Obama for, but you can keep it.

11. I told the Congress "thanks, but no thanks," for that Bridge to Nowhere. --- This is one of those John Kerry "I was before it, before I was against it" deals. She was for the Bridge to Nowhere during her campaign, but after the shitstorm, she decided she was against it. So she cancelled the bridge, but kept the $300,000,000. So now it's no longer a Bridge to Nowhere, it's just Money for Nothing. Maybe she can use that Federal $300,000,000 to give an extra $500 to each Alaskan next year with the oil revenue check. Mmmmmmm..... Pork...

12. And despite fierce opposition from oil company lobbyists, who kind of liked things the way they were, we broke their monopoly on power and resources.
As governor, I insisted on competition and basic fairness to end their control of our state and return it to the people. --- Again, I'm not sure what this means, but you can keep it, whatever it is.

13. I fought to bring about the largest private-sector infrastructure project in North American history. And when that deal was struck, we began a nearly forty billion dollar natural gas pipeline to help lead America to energy independence. --- This is sort of a half truth exaggeration. The project is approved. They haven't actually "began" it though. It won't "begin" for years, if ever. It won't be done until at least 2018.

14. we Americans need to produce more of our own oil and gas.
And take it from a gal who knows the North Slope of Alaska: we've got lots of both. --- This is not an accomplishment. This is more of a slogan.




Ok, here's the revised list:

1. governor of the great state of Alaska, for the last 20 months.

2. mayor of my hometown of between 5,000 and 7,000, depending on who you ask.

3. Has used the veto.

4. Our state budget is under control. We have a surplus. As always.

5. I suspended the state fuel tax. Seeing as we have a $5 billion dollar surplus from the new oil tax I approved, it seemed like the decent thing to do.

6. and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress.

7. I told the Congress "thanks, but no thanks," for that Bridge to Nowhere that I was for, before I was against it. But I kept the $300,000,000 earmark, even though it was no longer "earmarked" for anything.

8. And despite fierce opposition from oil company lobbyists, who kind of liked things the way they were, we broke their monopoly on power and resources.
As governor, I insisted on competition and basic fairness to end their control of our state and return it to the people.

9. I fought to bring about the largest private-sector infrastructure project in North American history. The forty billion dollar natural gas pipeline is approved. Once it begins, it may be done by 2018.



There's still a few good ones in there, along with the not so good ones. It doesn't really matter though. I don't think this thing is going to come down to experience.

[8182KSKUSH]

Thanks,
It wasn't exclusively a list of accomplishments, but also points of experience as well, keep in mind too, it was as per her acceptance speech.
I like it though, and still like seeing Obama's list of accomplishments stacked up with it, either list will put his to shame.:jointsmile:

[flyingimam]

:S2::S2::angry3::angry3::angry3::S2::S2::S2:

I believe you may have missed the point entirely.
The question of experience with regard to Palin as VP was being raised by DEMOCRATS!!!! DEMOCRATS!!!!!

I merely answered the question. Now DEMOCRATS, don't want to talk about experience anymore. How funny is that?

I'm not a democrat. I THINK independently and don't go in defense of any1 just cuz i've been on their side for 10 or 20 or 50 years, I speak what i think is the truth. I criticize where I think its needed and I applause where its deserved!

BTW, McCain has executive experience as well, while he was in the military.

this is not disputed.

my point is: NOW, EXPERIENCE really does not matter as much as issues and the way we think our country should head into. so accomplishments and records are really not of much importance if they are part of what has gone wrong!

[texas grass]

11. I told the Congress "thanks, but no thanks," for that Bridge to Nowhere. --- This is one of those John Kerry "I was before it, before I was against it" deals. She was for the Bridge to Nowhere during her campaign, but after the shitstorm, she decided she was against it. So she cancelled the bridge, but kept the $300,000,000. So now it's no longer a Bridge to Nowhere, it's just Money for Nothing. Maybe she can use that Federal $300,000,000 to give an extra $500 to each Alaskan next year with the oil revenue check. Mmmmmmm..... Pork...

so she stole 300m from the federal government and nothing happened. shes a criminal that cant be trusted.

stealing 300m is a criminal act. plain and simple

[McDanger]

K she can lie in a speach, i guess that is a qualification.

And you can lie in a post. You are now a highly qualified Obama (athletic)supporter.