Where is Sarah Palin?

[TheMetal1]

Just goes to show that, no matter what kind of mess our country is in, people don't care. They want boobs, fights, car crashes, and competitive singing or dancing.

Cue the apocalypse in 3.......... 2......... 1 :stoned:

It's so funny/sad how people instantly want to see pictures of her in a bikini or some 20 year old polaroid of her at Daytona Beach getting wild. Well... yeah, I guess I understand it. It just makes me picture some really old lady sitting online trying to Google "John C. Calhoun lost-porno." Hahaha

Anyone have a guess as to how long it takes for Tina Fey to guest on Saturday Night Live and do a DEAD ON impersonation of Gov. Palin? Looks just like her :stoned:

[daihashi]

I'm not defending the guy's actions here, but what you've posted about Bill Ayers needs some clearing up:

Bill Ayers adamantly denies he was ever a terrorist, in part because they selected only military targets.

I can pass gas in an elevator and deny I ever did it. It doesn't change the fact that I still farted :thumbsup:

This was actually part of a joke, and Bill Ayers himself doesn't seem to think he said it. Yeah, those 70's radicals had a bizarre sense of humor.

True, but they did make every effort to not kill or injure anyone.

Making every effort would mean not blowing up buildings.

Well, at least he's not bombing stuff anymore.

Bill Ayers was never a close friend of Obama's. They served on a board together. Ayers donated to a couple of Obama's campaigns. That was pretty much it.

True, he's just teaching our kids now. A person who was so radical they attacked their own nation is out there teaching impressionable young people.

Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn were both partly responsible for helping to start Obama's political career. While I agree this in itself does not make Obama a bad person I question his judgement and what kind of person he actually is behind closed doors. These people combined with others like Tony Rezko, Jim Johnson, William Wright and others make me very wary of Obama. Especially after hearing his economic and foreign relations plans. I cringe even more.

As far as your source, the information is filtered from this article:
No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen - New York Times
You should probably read it, since it was pretty distorted by the time it got to you. Ok, so the guy is probably a communist with a skewed view of the world, but that's not a crime.

You're right, being a communist is not a crime, but attacking your own country is. TREASON

And he's admitted all his crimes and accepted the consequences of them. It's clear he hasn't done anything like that in at least 30 years, and Obama didn't associate with him until the 90s. I'm sure we've all associated with some shady people, but that doesn't mean we share their values.

This does not forgive him of what he's done. And you're right, we do all have shady people in our lives, but with Obama it seems there's always someone popping up from his past. Also last I checked Obama won't release documents about his relationship with Ayers. Seems odd doesn't it? Maybe that's changed and he's released them, but last I checked he was still refusing.

By the way, Ayers has commented on the issue himself, in a much more nuanced way than your bullet-pointed description. He's a more complex person than you make him out to be.
I’M SORRY!!!! i think…. « Bill Ayers

No offense, but Bill Ayers lost all credibility in my opinion when he was with the Weather Underground.

If they release those documents then I may rescind what I said. However I already gave Obama a free pass when Bill Ayers first came up in the media. I even defended him saying we all have someone in our lives that's shady. Then Obama had a flurry of people pop up in his life... I took back the free pass I gave him. I do not trust that man. He comes from one of the most corrupt governments in the United States and he obviously surrounds himself with some pretty scary people.

[texas grass]

why is it obamas falt that ayers is teaching at UI. yall should be yellin at illinois state for hiring him.

as for him being on a board with him. woud yall quite a good job because someone else was working there. i seriously doubt it.

now back to why hasnt palin showed herself if shes so good and honest

[McDanger]

Well, I for one am grateful I live in a state that teaches real sex ed. They teach abstinence but they also teach prevention. They also teach them about condoms and birth control and sexually transmitted diseases. I was "scared straight", in a manner of speaking, when I became sexually active at 16 from what I learned in sex ed. Kids are gonna do it. Give them some real choices and a real understanding of the consequences of making such a big decision.
I had my first child at 23, and my daughter is 20 and not pregnant yet. You see... I actually talked to her about sex. I didn't just tell her " Don't do it. Period. End of discussion "
Abstinence only teaching not only doesn't work, I believe its socially irresponsible!

Abstinence is the only method that works 100%. Not teaching it is irresponsible.
The way I look at it is what they are telling them is if you don't have sex you will not get disease or pregnant, but, if you are not going to listen to me about this, I'll give you another option. Then if you do get pregnant (by making the choice to have sex), then you can always abort.
Your made your "choice" when you decided to have sex. Now you must live with your choice.

[khronik]

I can pass gas in an elevator and deny I ever did it. It doesn't change the fact that I still farted :thumbsup:

Making every effort would mean not blowing up buildings.

Well, Bill Ayers didn't kill or injure anyone, which is why he's a professor and not an inmate today.

True, he's just teaching our kids now. A person who was so radical they attacked their own nation is out there teaching impressionable young people.

It's possible for people to change, you know.

Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn were both partly responsible for helping to start Obama's political career. While I agree this in itself does not make Obama a bad person I question his judgement and what kind of person he actually is behind closed doors. These people combined with others like Tony Rezko, Jim Johnson, William Wright and others make me very wary of Obama. Especially after hearing his economic and foreign relations plans. I cringe even more.

Tony Rezko - donated to a lot of political campaigns. Obama was a state senator at that time and needed all the help he could get, plus there weren't any corruption charges surrounding him at the time. Even during the corruption charges, Obama was never suspected of any wrongdoing.

Jim Johnson - was picked because he had experience on John Kerry's VP vetting team. This guy didn't do anything wrong. He got a good deal on a loan and that's it. Supposedly, loans like that are very common among people who have a lot of income and are virtually guaranteed of not defaulting. And even still, Obama made him leave the team when he found out.

William Wright - the only one of these "connections" that Obama actually did have a close connection to. But Wright isn't corrupt, just a little crazy. The guy is actually pretty admirable when you look at some of his accomplishments. He was a Marine surgeon during Vietnam, and was part of a team that operated on Lyndon Johnson. He became a preacher and activist after the war. The reason Obama joined his congregation was mostly because of his church's history of activism. Oh yeah, and it's the same church that Oprah went to. Wright was part of the old-guard civil rights movement, which probably made him a little racist, but that doesn't necessarily transfer to Obama. My mom and grandparents are a little racist, having lived in Cleveland, Ohio during the race riots. But it's not the core of who they are, and I imagine the same holds true for Wright.

You're right, being a communist is not a crime, but attacking your own country is. TREASON

And he accepted the punishment for said crimes.

This does not forgive him of what he's done. And you're right, we do all have shady people in our lives, but with Obama it seems there's always someone popping up from his past. Also last I checked Obama won't release documents about his relationship with Ayers. Seems odd doesn't it? Maybe that's changed and he's released them, but last I checked he was still refusing.

UIC releases Obama-Ayers papers :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: DNC
Are those the papers you were talking about?

If they release those documents then I may rescind what I said. However I already gave Obama a free pass when Bill Ayers first came up in the media. I even defended him saying we all have someone in our lives that's shady. Then Obama had a flurry of people pop up in his life... I took back the free pass I gave him. I do not trust that man. He comes from one of the most corrupt governments in the United States and he obviously surrounds himself with some pretty scary people.

Couldn't the fact that he comes from a city that is known for being corrupt, be the reason that he has associated with several shady people? I mean, trying to be a politician in Chicago without associating wish shady characters is kind of like trying to shovel manure without getting any on your clothes. Ok, bad metaphor, but still, despite where he came from, Obama has never even been a suspect in any corruption charges. You have to admit, he's done a pretty good job of keeping his hands clean.

[daihashi]

Well, Bill Ayers didn't kill or injure anyone, which is why he's a professor and not an inmate today.

He directly may not have participated but he was involved which makes him an accomplice. Why do you defend this man so adamantly?

It's possible for people to change, you know.

It is possible for people to change, but Bill Ayers has been quoted as saying that he does not regret what he did.

No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen - New York Times

From that article:
'I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.''

I believe the following is from his book, I also pulled it out of the article above:

''Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon,'' he writes. But then comes a disclaimer: ''Even though I didn't actually bomb the Pentagon -- we bombed it, in the sense that Weathermen organized it and claimed it.'' He goes on to provide details about the manufacture of the bomb and how a woman he calls Anna placed the bomb in a restroom. No one was killed or injured, though damage was extensive.

You see here he acknowledges that he did have some role in this.. directly or indirectly he bares responsibility just for simply being a part of that organization.

Why do you defend him so adamantly?

Tony Rezko - donated to a lot of political campaigns. Obama was a state senator at that time and needed all the help he could get, plus there weren't any corruption charges surrounding him at the time. Even during the corruption charges, Obama was never suspected of any wrongdoing.

Let's make some excuses for Obama. Tony Rezko may not have had any corruption charges but his name wasn't exactly unknown. He has had a history of owning housing that is below code. Why would any up and coming politician want to recruit someone like this. It would just come back to haunt him. This is a perfect example of "whatever to do to get elected.". Once elected into office Obama helped Tony Rezko get government money to build more sub par housing.

So we have Bill Ayers... sure let's give the man 1 free pass. Everyone has a unsavory person in their life but here we have two people that Obama welcomed into his life.

Jim Johnson - was picked because he had experience on John Kerry's VP vetting team. This guy didn't do anything wrong. He got a good deal on a loan and that's it. Supposedly, loans like that are very common among people who have a lot of income and are virtually guaranteed of not defaulting. And even still, Obama made him leave the team when he found out.

So there is nothing wrong with getting preferential treatment DIRECTLY from the CEO of Countrywide? You don't see anything fishy with that? It's not like he just got a good rate. Furthermore Jim Johnson used to be the head of Fannie Mae.

Also they say that Jim Johnson did not take just 1 loan, but 5 real estate loans totalling about 7 million. Now I don't care how many mortgages you get, but it's fairly obvious due to his old position, and the fact that he's getting preferential treatment that something is up.

Legally nothing wrong may have been done but there is a Moral problem here.

So again we see the type of people Obama surrounds himself with.

That's 3 shady people that have emerged out of his life that he has current ties to.

William Wright - the only one of these "connections" that Obama actually did have a close connection to. But Wright isn't corrupt, just a little crazy. The guy is actually pretty admirable when you look at some of his accomplishments. He was a Marine surgeon during Vietnam, and was part of a team that operated on Lyndon Johnson. He became a preacher and activist after the war. The reason Obama joined his congregation was mostly because of his church's history of activism. Oh yeah, and it's the same church that Oprah went to. Wright was part of the old-guard civil rights movement, which probably made him a little racist, but that doesn't necessarily transfer to Obama. My mom and grandparents are a little racist, having lived in Cleveland, Ohio during the race riots. But it's not the core of who they are, and I imagine the same holds true for Wright.

You're right.. it doesn't transfer to Obama and I completely agree. I do not think Obama is a racist, but I question when someone says "GOD DAMN AMERICA" and constantly bashes the country that we live in... why would you stay there? Why would you stay in a church that maintains such hostility for the nation it lives in?

That just seems like a deal breaker. Church should be about worship and prayer etc etc. Since when was Church a venue for semi-quasi political rallies daming your own home country?

Personally me.. especially if I was a politician.. I would've darted out that door. But then again I don't believe in his particular form of brain washing.... also I won't stand for someone to bash my country. I admit we have our problems, but to paint us as the enemy of the world. I won't stand for it. I imagine if you're a politician your constituents probably wouldn't stand for it either.

So that's 4 people he surrounded himself with.

Couldn't the fact that he comes from a city that is known for being corrupt, be the reason that he has associated with several shady people? I mean, trying to be a politician in Chicago without associating wish shady characters is kind of like trying to shovel manure without getting any on your clothes. Ok, bad metaphor, but still, despite where he came from, Obama has never even been a suspect in any corruption charges. You have to admit, he's done a pretty good job of keeping his hands clean.

Indeed it could be, but you would think a person who preaches a sermon to America of Hope and change would be above the corruption. You would think they would seek to put down these corrupters whose deeds only hurt the American citizens. For someone who says "Change you can believe in" you would think that he would exemplify that through action. I am really baffled how you can use Chicago's own corruption as a means to Defend Obama.

And you know it's very easy to keep your hands clean when you don't do anything. Show me how many pieces of major legislation this man has written. Show me how many bills he's supported and advocated for. It's nothing against him, he honestly just hasn't done much and it's not like I fault him for it. He's been in office only a short time.

[daihashi]

and how did this thread turn into another Obama thread.


Can we go back to talking about that hottie Sarah Palin? :hippy:

[khronik]

and how did this thread turn into another Obama thread.


Can we go back to talking about that hottie Sarah Palin? :hippy:

All the Obama threads got locked. And you started it.

[daihashi]

All the Obama threads got locked. And you started it.

Actually I didn't.. go back and re-read the entire thread. I just got caught up in the conversation.

You should check before you finger point. You're the one who initiated the topic change from Sarah Palin to Obama.

P4B had used Bill Ayers as an example of people who Palin does not surround herself with and you chose to engage P4B solely on Bill Ayers and Obama.. totally leaving out Sarah Palin.. effectively changing the subject. There were several posts in between where people were back on topic and instead of join in you decided to stay on your off tangent path.

I joined in after you and am calling for a return to the topic at hand.

[khronik]

Actually I didn't.. go back and re-read the entire thread. I just got caught up in the conversation.

You should check before you finger point. You're the one who initiated the topic change from Sarah Palin to Obama.

P4B had used Bill Ayers as an example of people who Palin does not surround herself with and you chose to engage P4B solely on Bill Ayers and Obama.. totally leaving out Sarah Palin.. effectively changing the subject. There were several posts in between where people were back on topic and instead of join in you decided to stay on your off tangent path.

I joined in after you and am calling for a return to the topic at hand.

My apologies. P4B started it, not you.

Anyway, like Obama, there isn't too much to say about Sarah Palin's past experience since there isn't quite as much of it. She does have executive experience, which makes her the only person on both tickets with any. She sounds like a really cool person. I mean, a sexy woman who hunts moose? Her husband sure is lucky. Still, she does come off as not being up to speed on world affairs, and not as substantive as the other candidates. Her platform is pretty much just the standard Republican fare, and no matter how you look at it, she has less foreign policy and national experience than Barack Obama. Plus, John McCain is getting on in years, so it's not unreasonable to suspect he may have health problems that could at least temporarily require him to transfer power to Palin.

I hope that she does give a speech or an interview. We need to see what she's like, and what she's capable of.