Quote Originally Posted by thcbongman
I completely agree with you on the welfare aspect. Programs like Section 8 housing is vastly corrupted, lots of abuse and waste goes on. But what the hell does it have to do with automatically covering health care for people who lost their jobs and lost their insurance coverage? Why should a few rotten apples spoil it for the many more people who can't? Why should people get racked up with enormous bills while they have to wait to see if they even get medicaid or not?

I definitely agree there's a lot of waste. However I believe there are far better solutions to fixing the system.
It has nothing to do with covering healthcare. If you read the paragraph correctly you would see that I was just ranting at how I'm tired of people lashing out and jumping the gun when another member says they don't support socialized health care.

The reason why it takes so long to get Medicaid and Medicare is in part to try to deter people who wish to just abuse the program. I am in agreement that it needs to be fixed/reformed HOWEVER I still am not for socializing the current healthcare system we have in place.

Over the last 20 years Employer based insurance has fallen from 70% to 61%. This seems to indicate a problem in the system and not something that needs to be enchanged entirely. I believe currently we have something like 18% of people without insurance. Are we going to punish 61% of Americans for the 18% of people who don't have insurance? Where is the logic in that? If it were close to a 50/50 ratio or even like a 60/40 ratio then it would make more sense.


If you don't believe it, I don't care, doesn't change anything. I'm just telling you how it is. If you don't want to believe it so be it.
Frankly I don't care. The point is that YOU don't know how hard other people work in comparison to you. It was a moot statement and honestly I found it pointless to mention. You could work harder than me (honestly you probably do) or you could not. Point being is I don't know and there's no point in verifying. I used the wang contest because it feels like the old cliche "my dick is bigger than yours".

Living is important to me, especially having decent health insurance that takes care of my health. I don't want to jeopardize my position. I would be dumb to.
So jeopardizing your life makes more sense? I understand your position but you seem to have your priorities out of place.

Living > Having a Home > Having a Job > Having Insurance.... Everything that you are trying to preserve in your life is dependant on you living but you chose to skip out on your MRI.

I am sincerely sorry to hear about your situation but your logic doesn't make sense to me.

Even if you don't believe it to be true, Another job CAN be found. You can't go out and GET another life.


Yeah, but I have no choice. What else can I do, gotta maintain coverage. If I lost my job and don't get a job after COBRA expires days in the case if I do get let go, I can kiss my insurability good bye. Pre-existing condition. People who aren't healthy don't have a clue of how messed up this system is, especially since I been treated . I'm in quite a good position in terms of coverage, so why ruin a good thing?
Oh god.. You're right.. I don't have a clue. I've only worked with people who are severely handicapped, have MS, Crohns, Gastroparesis, POTS and the list goes on and on. You're right I have no clue how you're being treated </sarcasm>.

Don't assume that no one knows what you're going through. That is actually arrogant to assume no one could understand unless you're sick.

Many employers who offer employer based insurance work under a blanket policy; which means that everyone is covered. I sold insurance for a short while in my life (I hated it.. I had a moral dilemna about it) So I do actually know something about it.

What do you think I am doing? I'm not the one relying on the government.
No, you're just complaining and lashing out at someone who NEVER SAID SICK PEOPLE WERE LOOKING FOR HAND OUTS.

You missed the point of my entire post that you lashed out on someone who simply felt that people should not get hand outs. My post was not even specifically about you but rather how this seems to be the going trend.

I am not cold.. I am not callous and I help many sick people in my day to day life. While no one here on this forum can attest to this personally there are a select few whom I talk to offline that have heard of some of my dealings.

Yet people like you, and another poster in another thread (who got his post deleted and I think perhaps banned) attacked me the exact same way. I've searched through the politics forum and find that quite frequently when this is brought up people always attack the person who says they don't want to help people looking for hand outs.

Guess what, Sick people.. the elderly.. the handicapped.. children.. There is a VERY HIGH probability that the posters that say they don't want to help support people looking for hand outs are not talking about the above demographics!!!

Like I said, calm down and get a grip. Not just you but any other sick person out there who thinks people are bashing them. I know first hand that no one wants to be sick. Like I said, I'm sort've surrounded by people with debilitating diseases.

My employer has been quite good to me during my illness and why should I change my job over....health care? I like my job. However company policy evolves, it's starting to signal a change of tune. You have to react and adapt to the reality.



I once was unable to, but I am able, that's why I'm going to work. I'm healthy, other people don't think so. It's a matter of opinion and I don't agree with their recommendation.
I can agree with reforming medicaid, which I think is a good median. There are many great things about private health insurance, but you have to maintain coverage for those that need it. However many rules need to be changed in order to not get people to lose coverage because of a pre-existing condition. It's not solely a monetary issue but a policy one as well. I can't see why you can't support more supplements to health care. I'm sure there's enough military money to cover it.[/QUOTE]