Quote Originally Posted by daihashi
It doesn't change the fact that People here FREAK OUT when you say you don't believe in socialized healthcare.

I mean literally freak out and lash out and call you names. It's ridiculous that people make such assumptions based on something that was never said. It does not justify their actions or make it right and FRANKLY I'm tired of seeing members attacking people like this.

There are many times I want to tell people to get out of America if they don't like it. These people though are people who sit on their asses all day and complain about how they don't like the Right or the government but then don't try to do anything about it.

This is America and ALL of us have the opportunity to institute the change it is that we are seeking. When people constantly BASH our own country because they feel the Government isn't doing enough for them.... it's frustrating.

In my opinion unless you're willing to try to change what it is you don't like about this country, whether it's through supporting a politician you think holds the same values as you, voting on local legislation, trying to run for office yourself, being an advocate for a group or join an organization that is attempting to further your cause; unless you are willing to do something more than sit on your ass then I don't think people have the right to bash this nation of ours.

You are not entitled simply because you pay taxes. Being an American is more than that.
I'm not in favor of paying the way for people who do not work and sit on their asses all day either, but I really don't think there is a lot of that going on in this country. That idea is a leftover relic of Reagan's "Welfare Queen" imagery. It's not a big problem.

But there ARE huge healthcare cost problems for millions of people in this country who are hardworking. That is a real problem, not an imaginary problem like the myth of the welfare queen.

The problems are mainly that there are millions of people who do not have group healthcare coverage through their employers or through some other organization.

If you do not have group healthcare coverage, it is prohibitively expensive for many people to get decent coverage, even if they are hardworking and make a decent paycheck.

If they have a pre-exisitng condition, and do not have group healthcare coverage, it is IMPOSSIBLE to get healthcare coverage.

If they have a pre-exisitng condition, and DO have group healthcare coverage through an employer, they can be trapped in a situation in which they cannot afford leave that job for any reason, including disability. People do things like work their job through chemo-therapy for fear of losing their job and the insurance that is keeping them alive.

We've already gone over the details of the two healtcare plans offered by Obama and McCain in the "Does McCain/Obama Repreesent Change" threads. And neither one of those two plans is anything close to "socailized medicine." Characterizing Obama's plan as "socialized" is a lie.

I don't know anyone who is for socailized medicine. I know a lot of people who are interested in affordable insurance and a guarantee that they aren't going to get screwed out of their insurance just bacause they actaully get sick and need their insurance or they decide they need to change jobs.

I think Obama's plan addresses the problem of affordability, the problem of accessibility for those with pre-exisitng conditions, and the problem of portability for those who change jobs. It will solve a lot of problems for hardworking people who are getting screwed today.