Quote Originally Posted by 5thHorseMan
you keep saying we all live in different realities, we do not. Experiencing a singular reality with different interpretations does not make your reality separate from mine, only your experience is separate not your reality.
How do you know we don't live in different realities? Whats the difference between interpretation and reality. HELL whats the definition of reality to you?

Well since its came down to definition here I go :-)

Here's the definition of reality to me, whats actually out there outside our minds and body

Here's what genetics gave us, not really at all whats actually there all inside us, just what we perceive, or, what we think is there, a basic representation of dimension, sound, time etc, in comparison to the availibility of information abundant in the universe, evolution may or may not see us through to a more enlightened future, I'm not judging, but what's clear is neither you or I are all knowing, neither you and I are perfect. If god was, for instance timeless you are not at all equipped to judge about anything to do with God remotely, none of us would be..


Quote Originally Posted by 5thHorseMan
And God remains a useless concept. Name one thing the concept of God, has given humanity that is beneficial to it. It's impossible to understand God, simply because it does not truly exist. If we look at the universe the universe consisting of everything however, we see that even it is not infinite, instead we see that it stretches out approximately 93 billion light years, and is roughly 13.85 billion years old. We know that it is expanding, but this still does not make it infinite, just a very big finite.
I don't believe in any concept being useless, a lesson learnt is a lesson learnt, right? It's impossible to understand God, simply because it does not truly exist to our limited senses??? It's impossible to understand God, because we are incapable of truly understanding??? The universe may very well be finite but you're not considering our own finite limited senses, lets apply your definition of finite to us in recognition we CAN'T KNOW FOR SURE about such 'fallacies' i.e. we see time at a fixed speed, did you know different organisms experience time at a different rate? No? Well this is obviously an important fact here. A different rate of experience will change the interpretation alltogether, your opinion, AND REALITY! poof! magic, and all at once. What we see _now_ isnt necessarily CORRECT visually, auditory, informatically, let alone what IS can be or WILL BE!!!! Limited dimensional perception in an abstract aspect only..

Quote Originally Posted by 5thHorseMan
Even if we consider quantum theory the infinite quantity would be the number of alternate universes, and perhaps only in theory. But the individual universe's remain finite.
Well that may be true ignoring time and light constants. I've actually had the pleasure of working with physicists and I'm pretty sure they can't tell how big the universe was, is or is going to be/get. What I'm sure they recognise as scientists is that we inhabit a single point in time :-) Not very useful is it.. only now never all.. and why not all? Why fear death? for instance, if energy can only be transmuted obviously we are just stuck in our own idea of holding onto our limited patterns and have no understanding or desire that goes truly beyond the self or beyond the apparent 'logic' we so fraily call our own..


Quote Originally Posted by 5thHorseMan
Existence is possible without awareness of existence. This is the problem with I think therefore I am. A rock exists regardless of whether or not it is aware of that existence.
True, but me and you are not rocks!

yea it is, but not for us buddy.. :-) Our existance can only exist to us because of our awareness of it and also our awareness exists because of our existance.

So what this means is a rock is in reality, we aren't... lol because we are aware of reality if we weren't aware of reality we'd be in reality, weird as it sounds

The logic to this is simple; as soon as the universe created atoms/molecules that started (this is crude but) 'thinking for themselves' (limiting the diversity of their being in some respects whilst augmenting it in others) bits of information are lost to us, as we are seeing all existance through OUR own awareness. Abstraction in 'I' is critical to understand this!

i.e. the human brain starts to become (from awareness of reality represented as a basic unreality) the dominant factor in atomic properties/awareness and creates a 'higher level' of event/property complexity not seen before.

e.g. self controlled movement
e.g. I think therefore I am not in reality like the rock is

Peace,
Denial