Quote Originally Posted by 5thHorseMan
God is a do nothing go nowhere concept, because it does nothing and goes nowhere. It makes no demand that a person challenge another ideas of what is and isn't, it just sits there insisting upon it's validity, while offering no reason to accept it, beyond dimwitted simplicity.
heh, I think God (if this were to exist) is impossible for anyone to understand (as its definition insists this by premise, remember all knowing, etc)..

I too think its vanity to try and understand something impossible to understand. Perhaps taking note its impossible to fully comprehend anything infinite (as science/maths usually does hence imaginary number) is wisdom in itself. Some that crop up from time to time are that these "unreal/imaginary" numbers that seem to be very important to prime division and pi. Without getting too offtopic, understanding you cannot comprehend is progress in itself stopping one from wasting his or her time trying to draw a definite conclusion around an infinite fractal premise , without then running the risk of sounding like a moron when making a definitive judgement based on it


Quote Originally Posted by 5thHorseMan
Competition amongst ideas is however, integral to science. In this way science is continuously being perfected while knowingly remaining imperfect.


Quote Originally Posted by 5thHorseMan
And we all live in the same reality, we are merely percieving this same reality from different points of view. This reality encompassing the universe is for all intents finite being of a particular age, within an albeit poorly defined border of space.
How do you know we all live in the same reality? The beginning of philosophy must be I think therefore I am, not we think therefore we are? Maybe thats a new one for me :P Perhaps the universe is finite, perhaps it will continue growing, perhaps time goes backwards. We really aren't sure, and to be honest the scientists are still 'competing' over this one as you put it. It's dangerous to draw conclusions before the scientists have finished their work, at least if you are in the pro science con god corner of things. It's more than just our opinion that changes what we see, even where we are standing can change what we perceive to occur.

You know, Darwin and many others made it distinctly clear the features available in our genetics are not particularly global or particularly general, they are particularly specialised which specifically means limitation.

We don't even see the universe, we see an interpretation of it, what you called opinion; so you've said yourself everyone mentally is inhabiting a different reality heh... physically they are not? haha well unless we want to have an argument with our bodies over it, i'll skip that? I think my brain is thinking.. that seems clear We don't see the full light spectrum, full sound spectrum, we can't even see out into the universe , we have to use other specialised devices to understand. We truly are limited, and that isn't necessarily bad, especially if we are willing to accept this premise, we can move onto applying it.

Quote Originally Posted by 5thHorseMan
Simply put there is no infinite anything, because infinity does not effectively exist, neither can god. Therefore the concept of god is wholly without value, and the concept of infinity is only of value in certain forms of mathematics.
How do you know there is no infinity? I don't know, how do you? If there was infinity we certainly wouldn't be able to identify it, it's beyond the functional grasp of the math our brains do... it's 'unreal'.


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