Quote Originally Posted by TheHonorary
You're using thinking that, let's face it came from the source you're trying to, in a way, disprove -- science.
Where do you get the notion I am trying to disprove science? I am using the facts of science to disprove evolution.

What brought the universe into existence? We don't know, and we may never find out,
But we do know by experience, experimentation, etc. that before the universe existed, it didn't exist and therefore there was nothing. We know that nothing comes from nothing by any natural cause, therefore, the cause of the universe must be supernatural.

but what brought god into existence? Why are you implying only god can be without a creator?
A number of skeptics ask this question. But God by definition is the uncreated creator of the universe, so the question ??Who created God??? is illogical, just like ??To whom is the bachelor married???

So a more sophisticated questioner might ask: "If the universe needs a cause, then why doesn??t God need a cause? And if God doesn??t need a cause, why should the universe need a cause?" In reply, we should use the following reasoning:

Everything that has a beginning has a cause.
The universe has a beginning.
Therefore, the universe has a cause.

It??s important to stress the words in bold type. The universe requires a cause because it had a beginning. God, unlike the universe, had no beginning, so doesn??t need a cause. In addition, Einstein??s general relativity, which has much experimental support, shows that time is linked to matter and space. Therefore, time itself would have begun along with matter and space.

Since God, by definition, is the creator of the whole universe, he is the creator of time. Therefore He is not limited by the time dimension He created, so has no beginning in time ?? God is ??the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity? (Isa. 57:15). Therefore, He doesn??t have a cause.

In contrast, there is good evidence that the universe had a beginning. This can be shown from the Laws of Thermodynamics, the most fundamental laws of the physical sciences.

1st Law: The total amount of mass-energy in the universe is constant.
2nd Law: The amount of energy available for work is running out, or entropy is increasing to a maximum.

If the total amount of mass-energy is limited, and the amount of usable energy is decreasing, then the universe cannot have existed forever; otherwise, it would already have exhausted all usable energy??the ??heat death?? of the universe. For example, all radioactive atoms would have decayed, every part of the universe would be the same temperature, and no further work would be possible.

So the obvious corollary is that the universe began a finite time ago with a lot of usable energy, and is now running down.

Now, what if the questioner accepts that the universe had a beginning, but not that it needs a cause? However, it is self-evident that things that begin have a cause??no one really denies it in his heart. All science and history would collapse if this law of cause and effect were denied. So would all law enforcement if the police didn??t think they needed to find a cause for a stabbed body or a burgled house.

In addition, the universe cannot be self-caused??nothing can create itself, because that would mean that it existed before it came into existence, which is a logical absurdity.

IN SUMMARY

The universe (including time itself) can be shown to have had a beginning.
It is unreasonable to believe something could begin to exist without a cause.
The universe therefore requires a cause, just as (Gen. 1:1) and (Rom. 1:20) teach.
God, as creator of time, is outside of time. Since therefore He has no beginning in time, He has always existed, so doesn??t need a cause.

Religion and superstition have no place in todays world but there are people out there who cannot accept this and go to great lengths to use any kind of argument they can fathom.
I agree that we would be far better off if we got rid of superstition and false religions. That is why I am sharing scientific facts that disprove the superstition of evolution.

"The whole image is that eternal suffering awaits anyone who questions God's infinite love. That's the message we're brought up with, isn't it? Believe or die! 'Thank you, forgiving Lord, for all those options.'"
- Bill Hicks
That is one of the doctrines of false religion. The Holy Bible reveals that instead of annihilating us when we decided our way was better than His, He confined us to earth with all the material we needed, and a few thousand years, to discover if we were right. History is a record of our failure to do better exercising our way contrary to His.

He took on human flesh and died a very painful death in order to open the door of forgiveness and salvation for all who repent and truly desire eternal life with Him. Those who choose to continue in sin will eventually be judged and annihilated, not confined to an eternal lake of fire and torment. But no one will experience eternal death before He makes sure they know the truth and have an opportunity to apply it.

Most people in this life have never learned the truth because of all the rampant confusion and deception, so our physical death is not the end of the story. We survive the death of our bodies and have reincarnated several times. That is also part of God's plan of salvation: to give us time to experience the fruit of our positive and negative choices down through the ages. It's part of our learning process that our loving Creator has provided.