Quote Originally Posted by TurnyBright
You're making an assumption about the nature of the universe.

The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system tends to a maximum. Usually the universe is assumed to be an isolated thermodynamic system, but this is a circumstantially ratified assumption and carries no connotation of "correct."

So it could also be assumed, just as rationally, that the universe is not thermodynamically isolated, and by the second law, the entropy of a system that isn't isolated may decrease.

The universe could be infinitely old and be doing nothing but gaining usable energy.



Again, you're making assumption. You've got an image of time as a flat linear form, with the possibility of "infinity" in either direction of the line.

Yet you claim that it can be "crossed," which infers that you believe it to have dimensional form. Any shape with dimensional form (of any order of magnitude) cannot be infinite. It must have borders, and if a higher dimensional form upon which the shape in question lies is posited to exist, then it must have limits. Time is referred to as a fourth dimensional shape, not a "line" by which we measure the order of our three dimensional movements, so it must have a border and a fifth dimensional plane upon which to lie.


You and i define infinite VASTLY DIFFERENTLY if you believe that ANYTHING AT ALL can NOT be infinite.


there is only one non-infinite "thing" in my opinion and understanding of infinity, and that is nothing. but even nothingness can be infinite, for it cannot be quantifiable as there are no "things" to occupy the empty nothingness.



how i conceive all things to be infinite:

endless micro/macroscopic "spiral" of "time". the smallest known "building block" of the universe is nothing more than the smallest KNOWN building block. i do not believe there is an ultimately smallest component, that the components are all (always) made up of even smaller components. Likewise, all components are constantly and actively being used to build increasingly larger components, indefinitely.

so how does time play into this? why a spiral?

let's start off simple. what IS time? it is our conception of movement through space, our way of gauging it. it's basis is relative; without another object in motion to compare, there would be no concept of time.

so "time" is merely the rate of movement of objects in space.

why a spiral? because spirals start from the center, as tiny singularities, and warp their way outward until they are eventually behemoth circular pictures. at the center of the spiral is the smallest components, and at the perimeter of the spiral are the largest components.

however, because time is infinite, there are no "smallest" or "largest" components, just gradually smaller and larger ones.


Now, the next bit is more complex. for every action there exists an equal but opposite reaction, however there are also cases of multiple equal-but-opposite possible reactions.
If every possible reaction DOES exist, "spiral" time is multifaceted... in other words, spirals spiraling off of spirals.

If time and space are infinite, then there is no reason not to think that all possible realities co-exist in the same time-space as their counter parts, but on different vibrational frequencies so that even though they overlap and occupy the same space, they will never collide. because the infinite implies no bounds, every infinite possible (alternate) reality is on such an infinitely unique frequency they are incapable of colliding.



if the pattern were two realities, it would be an even reality and an odd reality, both existing in the frame where the other is absent.


1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9


while reality one looks like 13579 and reality 2 looks like 2468, they exist in the same time and space, but on opposite frequencies. like a computer monitor acts in "flashes" of frames, for example 60 frames per second, this theory operates on "frames". we only see and experience the "frames" of our reality's frequencies. when our reality's frequencies are "off" another reality's frequencies are "on".

Infinite, paradoxical, crazy even, but it makes more sense to me than anything else... how can anything NOT be infinite?





and for the sake of bringing this tangent on-topic:

Not all things can stimulate evolution in all other things, but anything that holds influence on anything is ultimately changing the other thing's destiny or fate, is ultimately changing the other thing's experiences, is ultimately changing, ever so subtly, the other thing.


While throwing rocks into the water i'snt going to change the water or the rocks much in the long term, our diets+lifestyles have been changing our physiology since the dawn of time.


i find it impossible to conceive of a fat lethargic neanderthal sitting on his ass all day.