Quote Originally Posted by Coelho
Well... almost 200 posts after, and this debate still goes on and on... i think this debate only will be definitively answered if some day mankind create a time-machine, travel to the past, and do see the evolution actually happening (or God creating the live beings Himself).

Until this happens, all we have are theories. Some are more "logical", more "rational" than others, but all of them are just theories, just creations of human's minds. The universe has absolutely NO need to behave in a "logical" and "rational" way, and so the mere rationality of a theory does NOT prove its validity.
What we do have are facts of physics, from which we can and do draw logical conclusions. Nearly everything we enjoy is the result of those conclusions: electricity, cars, planes, computers, etc., etc.

If the universe was inconsistent, and didn??t behave in a "logical" and "rational" way, none of the above would be possible, would it? It is the rationality of a theory that does prove its validity.

And if we are actually descendants of primitive monkeys, its even worst... cause, after all, we are just smarter monkeys.
We are far more than just smarter monkeys. There are physical similarities, but there is no comparison with the output. While monkeys are still swinging from branches, we are going to the moon and beyond. Does DNA or genes account for this difference? I don??t think so. So what does this vast difference suggest? I believe it suggests a spiritual component that is lacking in all other life forms. We have a physical brain like the chimps, but we have a spiritual mind that they lack. This is in harmony with the Bible revelation that we were created in the image of God, who is spirit.

But as we completly dismiss the cosmological theories of the gorillas, apes, etc (in fact we dont even consider the fact this primates may have thoughts, much less thoughts about their origins), why our own theories shouldnt be dismissed too? Only because we are the "smarter" ones doesnt mean that we are the smartest monkeys in the universe, and the sole knowers of the truth.
You say it is a fact that monkeys may have thoughts. I would think if it were a fact, you would follow that with ??since? rather than ??may?. Actually, it isn??t a fact, is it? It is just your unsupported opinion.

All the evidence shows we are indeed smarter than the apes. To doubt that is to admit ignorance of those facts.

(BTW, who knows what the other primates think about us? I think watching Planet of the Apes may be a very enlightening experience...)
Planet of the Apes was a good science fiction show, except for the one unnecessary profanity at the end. But is it wise to substitute science fiction for science? That is what evolutionists do to attempt to validate their myth.

Other thing that hasnt much to do with the paragraphs above: as relativity says, time is just another universe's dimension, like space, and thus it only exists for those who are "inside" the universe, "inside" the 4d-spacetime. Outside the spacetime there isnt time as we know it, so talking about "before" the "creation" of the universe doesnt make any physical sense, because time (and also space) started to exist only when the universe itself started to exist.
We think in terms of time for convenience. It is true that time and the universe came into existence at the same time. Space is something else.

Since the definition of ??universe? is everything that exists, before the universe nothing existed, did it? If nothing existed, there must have been nothing. We don??t really have to use the word ??space?. If nothing existed, there was nothing. It has been observed that nothing comes from nothing by any natural cause. Since the universe came from nothing, the cause must be supernatural.