New and Improved: Featuring Sour Northern Lights x Nevilles Haze

[daihashi]

This plant probably needs slight less than 2 weeks. I'd guess maybe 2-3 days less.

[daihashi]

This plant needs about a week or less

[daihashi]

This plant needs about a week or less.


I have 1 more plant in flower that I don't have pictures for. That plant will probably actually need about 2-3 weeks. It's far behind the others for some reason.

[daihashi]

I have good and bad news combined, about the same thing.

11 out of my 37 clones have rooted. When I say rooted I mean wow.. ROOTS. The other 26 I anticipate will be rooted very soon.

Now the problem. I will not have room in my flowering room for at least 2 weeks. I need to kind of keep the clones from growing over the next 2 weeks (growing bigger roots or foliage). Any suggestions?

Once I get 2 of my plants in the flower room I can probably fit about 12 clones into the flower room but I'd prefer to put them all in there at once. Any ideas would be appreciated.

[Weedhound]

Boy does that sound familiar.......sorry Dai, we never came up with a good answer either.......

[daihashi]

had some things happen and I've cut down my grow and thrown it out. I won't be growing again but will continue to help people on the forums whenever I can.

Thanks for staying tuned.

[michaelpeg]

you threw it out?? i would go dumpster diving anyday for that plant

[Weedhound]

Very sorry to hear that Dai. Hope everything else is ok.

[d4twamp]

Sup D, I jus' heard the word...Sorry to hear about the tear down...What happened if you don't mind me asking, and if you do mind jus' tell me to bug off...lol...

Hope all is well w/ you and your's bro...

D:thumbsup:

[daihashi]

Well just incase anyone was wondering I thought I'd update this thread. I tried 2 more times to grow this strain; both times I had ZERO luck. But I was trying out hydro.

I used stinky attics NFT setup. However I don't think it was the fault of the hydro setup or necessarily the strain. I think it was one of the following:

1. Resevoir not having enough oxygen.

This could've happened for a few reasons. The temp in the res could've been not optimal. Although I suspect it was probably no warmer than 72 degrees.

It also could've happend due to poorly aerating the water. I was using a waterfall effect to create aeration but in retrospect after much reading I found that my waterfall was not high enough above the resevoir they were returning to. In case anyone is trying aerating this way I would recommend no less than a 1ft drop for water fall effect.

2. Possible over nute, under nute, reverse osmosis

I generally fed at around 1200 ppm. I don't think I actually over nuted it and burned. What I actually think happened was there was a low amount of oxygen in the water; at least far less than what the plant needed. Cannabis likes about 9ppm of Dissolved oxygen, and this stressed the tips of the roots out.

At first symptoms looked like they were hungry for more nutes; but then I started getting signes of Ca/Mg deficiency. The entire time my pH stayed between 5.5 - 5.8, so I had ruled out PH and tried treating all these symptoms

In retrospect if my water had low amounts of dissolved oxygen and stressed out the roots then this would create a reverse osmosis effect in the plant. This would also create multiple symptoms/deficiencies that look similar to a lockout situation.

3. Light leaks, sealed room:

For a while on the second hydro attempt I ran CO2. I really can't say that I saw any benefits; but to be fair I did it completely wrong.

Currently I grow in tents; I have my inline fans int he attic with flexible ducting that connects to my cool tubes through the tent. Then the cool tube, then more flexible ducting going out of the tent and ending there so it's sucking the cool air room out.

Well in retrospect; even though I had the CO2 in the tent, that was absolutely retarded. I basically sucked out money into my attic. A light sealed room is very important, especially for resin production. It is also important to have your room sealed if you're running CO2.

With the room being unsealed I was basically sucking enriched air through my cool tube reducing/killing the benefit I get from extra CO2. In addition to this I was not exhausting the tent because I thought I had an enriched environment. Well the temps got up to about 82-85 sometimes and I just let it go since that seemed to be the upper limit when running CO2.

In retrospect I realize that my plants probably used very little of that CO2.. and had to deal with hotter than optimal temperatures (when you consider I had no extra co2 in the room). So this also compounded the problems.


4. I question my tap water

My tap water isn't bad. It measures at about 200-250ppm but the PH is pretty high at 7.4; however these are not the things I question. I question the number of hard solids in the water. I had obvious residue on my 5 gallon pots and on the dump tubes coming out of my leach trays. There was definitely a lot of calcium build up and this is not necessarily a good thing. I fear that it wreaked havoc on my roots and compounded other problems I was experiencing. I could explain more but I don't feel like explaining. If you look up the way Ca/Mg is absorbed through the root structure then you'll see how this would be a problem.

I feel the majority of the growth issues I had in hydro can be attributed to poor environmental controls.

Here's what I could do if I could do it again

1. Install a window that has been modified for indoor use or a portable a/c and get the ambient room temperature down to about 70. This should put the temps in the tent at 78. This would also help make the ambient temperature of my resevoirs cooler. Cooler water can hold more ppm of dissolved oxygen.

2. Add air stones to resevoirs in addition to a waterfall with a drop of at least 1 ft. The water will only take so much oxygen into it. I think at 59F degrees it can only hold 10.3ppm of dissolved oxygen.

3. Use RO water; or if for some reason you can't use RO water then buy one of those Mr. Clean carwash things and use that. I've seen other people use it and their water reading came out around 10-20ppm. That's not too bad. It costs a bit; 7 dollars for a refill filter; but I think you can get about 30 gallons or more out of one (icmag has a thread that has that specific information). I can't get my RO hooked up to my sink so I'm going to be going the Mr. Clean route until I do some plumbing work around here to be able to hook up my RO.

4. Seal the room. The best benefit from sealing the room is not that you can use CO2. The best benefit is that you are positive that there are zero light leaks. This ensures no hermies, no stalled growth, increased resin production and just peace of mind. The CO2 is just the bonus prize.

Hope this helps someone.

I have been looking through my thread and man some of these buds looked really good. It's funny I just went back to coco after wasting 2 15 week grows on SNLxNH in hydro.

In a furious rage (not really but I was annoyed) I cut the SNLxNH mother down.

Now I have some Mandala Speed Queens and Hashberry that I'm going to grow. I like to see fast growth otherwise I get bored with growing. SNLxNH just took too long and I never pumped out the weight other people seemed to get out of it. I think it's a combination of environment and maybe not the best genetics since I got the seeds from a hermied plant.

Hopefully these speed queens I have going will be better. Once I know what to expect from the Speed Queen in a SOG setting I will consider trying it in a hydro environment. However now that I've done soil, soilless, coco and hydro. I have to say that I prefer coco the best. It is a very forgiving medium.