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    #1
    Junior Member

    Rights of the falsely accused?

    You take a drug test.
    It is mandated.
    They say you failed.
    You know you could not have failed.
    You follow procedures.
    You ask for all testing information.
    Regulations, fed and state direct the release of information.
    You don't get most of it.
    You go thru every channel u know.
    U don't get it.
    Eventually, some trickles in as a regulator makes a phone call or two.
    Discrepencies on federal chains of custody.
    Exact duplicates are not the same.
    Ask for more info.
    0
    Talk to lawyers.
    Raspberries. They aren't familiar.
    Go up the ladder to the big boys.
    Nothin.
    Go to court.
    Get lost, punk.
    Is there a competent legal professional who knows testing laws and fights for employees, not employers?
    I have so much money that I can't stand it.
    heyguys Reviewed by heyguys on . Rights of the falsely accused? You take a drug test. It is mandated. They say you failed. You know you could not have failed. You follow procedures. You ask for all testing information. Regulations, fed and state direct the release of information. You don't get most of it. You go thru every channel u know. U don't get it. Rating: 5

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    #2
    Senior Member

    Rights of the falsely accused?

    Sounds like you feel you got a bad rap! Feel for you bro! There are people here that can advise you legally. Just keep coming back looking.

    Welcome to the group!

    While you are waiting for a response. Skrol to the "Legal" section and read your heart out. Many case's similar to yours and you will get many different opinions from many case's, very similar to yours! Good luck! :thumbsup: :rastasmoke:

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    #3
    Senior Member

    Rights of the falsely accused?

    Quote Originally Posted by heyguys
    You take a drug test.
    It is mandated.
    They say you failed.
    You know you could not have failed.
    How do you know you could not have failed. What measures did you take to ensure you would pass your drug test?

    You follow procedures.
    You ask for all testing information.
    Regulations, fed and state direct the release of information.
    You don't get most of it.
    Pretty sure this is public information. They can't with hold it from you. If they are I suggest hiring a lawyer.

    You go thru every channel u know.
    U don't get it.
    define every channel you know?

    Eventually, some trickles in as a regulator makes a phone call or two.
    Eventually what trickles in?

    Discrepencies on federal chains of custody.
    Exact duplicates are not the same.
    Discrepencies on federal chains of custody? What?

    And Exact duplicates certified by the court or state are the exact same as originals.

    Ask for more info.
    0
    Talk to lawyers.
    Raspberries. They aren't familiar.
    Go up the ladder to the big boys.
    Nothin.
    Go to court.
    Get lost, punk.
    No offense but I seriously doubt any court, lawyer or any legal system would be run in the manner in which you describe. Not just that but your entire post doesn't make much sense.

    This isn't some long winded haiku, can you retype your post into some sensible writing?

    Is there a competent legal professional who knows testing laws and fights for employees, not employers?
    I have so much money that I can't stand it.
    There is plenty, unlike most things in life with lawyers you get what you pay for. I can say with all certainty that the better a lawyer is the more expensive he is and it is ALWAYS worth the extra money to hire the bulldog lawyer.

    After this entire post I'm still not sure what happened except that you took a piss test and felt you were wronged.

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    #4
    Senior Member

    Rights of the falsely accused?

    You're right. It is a rigged system. Dillution as an example. You can be fired for drinking too much water. Ruin somebody's life because he drank too much water. You might try contacting your states dept of labor and industries. They can be helpful sometimes.

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    #5
    Senior Member

    Rights of the falsely accused?

    Quote Originally Posted by killerweed420
    You're right. It is a rigged system. Dillution as an example. You can be fired for drinking too much water. Ruin somebody's life because he drank too much water. You might try contacting your states dept of labor and industries. They can be helpful sometimes.
    you do realize he actually said nothing to give us insight to his situation to determine what's going on.

    I've been tested after drinking too much water.. you cannot be fired for drinking too much water. They HAVE to re-test you as the tests are inconclusive. I know because I've been in that exact situation. And if they don't they are obligated by law to re-test you upon your request otherwise they open themeselves up for a wrongful firing suit.

    Besides if you drank too much water you probably didn't take any vitamins or supplements to add vitamins, minerals, color back into your piss.

    Remember everyone; until the government says otherwise Cannabis is still illegal. Therefore you can come in here and complain about how unfair it is, but the truth is that we ALL know the law and so you should take responsibility for yourself.

    I am for the legalization for Marijuana but it does not blind me from what the current legal status is and the consequences that go along with that.

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    #6
    Senior Member

    Rights of the falsely accused?

    Quote Originally Posted by daihashi
    you do realize he actually said nothing to give us insight to his situation to determine what's going on.

    I've been tested after drinking too much water.. you cannot be fired for drinking too much water. They HAVE to re-test you as the tests are inconclusive. I know because I've been in that exact situation. And if they don't they are obligated by law to re-test you upon your request otherwise they open themeselves up for a wrongful firing suit.

    Besides if you drank too much water you probably didn't take any vitamins or supplements to add vitamins, minerals, color back into your piss.

    Remember everyone; until the government says otherwise Cannabis is still illegal. Therefore you can come in here and complain about how unfair it is, but the truth is that we ALL know the law and so you should take responsibility for yourself.

    I am for the legalization for Marijuana but it does not blind me from what the current legal status is and the consequences that go along with that.
    Not true depending on your job. If you fall under the dot guidelines a dilluted sample is the same thing as a positive.

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    #7
    Senior Member

    Rights of the falsely accused?

    Quote Originally Posted by killerweed420
    Not true depending on your job. If you fall under the dot guidelines a dilluted sample is the same thing as a positive.
    well that is a load of Bullcrap. I never knew that; that seems to be unconstitutional since they did not actually prove anything except that you drank a lot of water that day.

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    #8
    Junior Member

    Rights of the falsely accused?

    You guys just blew my socks off. Thanks for responding.
    You are a supportive bunch.
    What is fascinating is how testing is nuts, no matter how much I learn, I find there is more.
    I am only familiar with mandated testing, which I would expect to be more carefully enforced.
    Let me throw this out.
    What law did they break if they don't comply? I mean the lab, the mro, the employer or collection site. Not one, not if it is government mandated. If you have a contract through a union, or individually with your tester, that makes a big difference. But, if you're simply at-will, you're in trouble.
    Imagine you go to your local police and tell them so-and-so won't release a copy of his COC ply from your test. Or the mro won't ask the lab for the lit packet. Go to your state rep or senator. Ask the DOT, the FMCSA, the FAA on and on. The carefully crafted regulations which lay out exactly what the different participants must do, don't mean nothing when push comes to shove.
    Go to court with the best attorney in the world. What is he/she gonna do? Get a court order? Under what jurisdiction? Who owns the pee? Who owns all the paperwork? Many agree that it belongs to the guy who paid for it.
    I am your employer.
    I don't like you.
    I want to get rid of you.
    How, w/o getting in trouble and w/o paying you UC?
    Let's see. If I say you failed your drug test, that's an automatic disqualification. Besides, man, we are fighting a war on drugs and I'll look like I'm just doing me duty.
    No one will suspect nothin.
    The burden is on the falsely accused and no one is gonna believe him anyhow.

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    #9
    Senior Member

    Rights of the falsely accused?

    I've always disagreed with the philosophy of pre-employement and random UA's. Guilty until proven innocent by a drug test. Seems like a violation of the 4th amendement to me. Guilty till proven innocent.

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    #10
    Senior Member

    Rights of the falsely accused?

    Quote Originally Posted by daihashi
    Remember everyone; until the government says otherwise Cannabis is still illegal. Therefore you can come in here and complain about how unfair it is, but the truth is that we ALL know the law and so you should take responsibility for yourself.
    Holy christ, thank you daihashi.
    If you really want help, you need to tell people what ACTUALLY happened instead of speaking in hypotheticals, i.e., "imagine this, if, ect...."

    It sounds like everyone in the world in the vague situation you are eluding to must all be involved in some kind of mass conspiracy against you.

    If you don't want to fail a drug test, DON'T DO DRUGS. Works everytime it's tried.

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