ok not ignortant you can debate that lux and whatever else you mentioned are as good as roor. they are good just not as good (you get wat u pay for)
I would say that roors hit the best and has the best craftmanship imo.

the one u mentioned that does compare is illadelph theyr the shit too but i havent hit one with one of the frozen coils on it yet so mayb those coils are the shit and they alone beat roor but if the ice coils arent the shit i give it to Roor:thumbsup:
plus illadelph is overpriced at least the ones ive seen (not that roors arent extremley pricey too) my .02