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	08-17-2008, 03:30 AM #1 OPSenior Member OPSenior Member
 Massive US Naval Armada Heads For IranOperation Brimstone ended only one week ago. This was the joint US/UK/French naval war games in the Atlantic Ocean preparing for a naval blockade of Iran and the likely resulting war in the Persian Gulf area. The massive war games included a US Navy supercarrier battle group, an US Navy expeditionary carrier battle group, a Royal Navy carrier battle group, a French nuclear hunter-killer submarine plus a large number of US Navy cruisers, destroyers and frigates playing the ??enemy force?. 
 
 The lead American ship in these war games, the USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN71) and its Carrier Strike Group Two (CCSG-2) are now headed towards Iran along with the USS Ronald Reagon (CVN76) and its Carrier Strike Group Seven (CCSG-7) coming from Japan.
 
 They are joining two existing USN battle groups in the Gulf area: the USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN72) with its Carrier Strike Group Nine (CCSG-9); and the USS Peleliu (LHA-5) with its expeditionary strike group.
 
 Likely also under way towards the Persian Gulf is the USS Iwo Jima (LHD-7) and its expeditionary strike group, the UK Royal Navy HMS Ark Royal (R07) carrier battle group, assorted French naval assets including the nuclear hunter-killer submarine Amethyste and French Naval Rafale fighter jets on-board the USS Theodore Roosevelt. These ships took part in the just completed Operation Brimstone.
 
 The build up of naval forces in the Gulf will be one of the largest multi-national naval armadas since the First and Second Gulf Wars. The intent is to create a US/EU naval blockade (which is an Act of War under international law) around Iran (with supporting air and land elements) to prevent the shipment of benzene and certain other refined oil products headed to Iranian ports. Iran has limited domestic oil refining capacity and imports 40% of its benzene. Cutting off benzene and other key products would cripple the Iranian economy. The neo-cons are counting on such a blockade launching a war with Iran.
 
 The US Naval forces being assembled include the following:
 
 Carrier Strike Group Nine
 USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN72) nuclear powered supercarrier
 with its Carrier Air Wing Two
 Destroyer Squadron Nine:
 USS Mobile Bay (CG53) guided missile cruiser
 USS Russell (DDG59) guided missile destroyer
 USS Momsen (DDG92) guided missile destroyer
 USS Shoup (DDG86) guided missile destroyer
 USS Ford (FFG54) guided missile frigate
 USS Ingraham (FFG61) guided missile frigate
 USS Rodney M. Davis (FFG60) guided missile frigate
 USS Curts (FFG38) guided missile frigate
 Plus one or more nuclear hunter-killer submarines
 
 Peleliu Expeditionary Strike Group
 USS Peleliu (LHA-5) a Tarawa-class amphibious assault carrier
 USS Pearl Harbor (LSD52) assult ship
 USS Dubuque (LPD8) assult ship/landing dock
 USS Cape St. George (CG71) guided missile cruiser
 USS Halsey (DDG97) guided missile destroyer
 USS Benfold (DDG65) guided missile destroyer
 
 Carrier Strike Group Two
 USS Theodore Roosevelt (DVN71) nuclear powered supercarrier
 with its Carrier Air Wing Eight
 Destroyer Squadron 22
 USS Monterey (CG61) guided missile cruiser
 USS Mason (DDG87) guided missile destroyer
 USS Nitze (DDG94) guided missile destroyer
 USS Sullivans (DDG68) guided missile destroyer
 
 USS Springfield (SSN761) nuclear powered hunter-killer submarine
 
 IWO ESG ~ Iwo Jima Expeditionary Strike Group
 USS Iwo Jima (LHD7) amphibious assault carrier
 with its Amphibious Squadron Four
 and with its 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit
 USS San Antonio (LPD17) assault ship
 USS Velia Gulf (CG72) guided missile cruiser
 USS Ramage (DDG61) guided missile destroyer
 USS Carter Hall (LSD50) assault ship
 USS Roosevelt (DDG80) guided missile destroyer
 
 USS Hartfore (SSN768) nuclear powered hunter-killer submarine
 
 Carrier Strike Group Seven
 USS Ronald Reagan (CVN76) nuclear powered supercarrier
 with its Carrier Air Wing 14
 Destroyer Squadron 7
 USS Chancellorsville (CG62) guided missile cruiser
 USS Howard (DDG83) guided missile destroyer
 USS Gridley (DDG101) guided missile destroyer
 USS Decatur (DDG73) guided missile destroyer
 USS Thach (FFG43) guided missile frigate
 USNS Rainier (T-AOE-7) fast combat support ship
 
 Also likely to join the battle armada:
 
 UK Royal Navy HMS Ark Royal Carrier Strike Group with assorted guided missile destroyers and frigates, nuclear hunter-killer submarines and support ships
 
 
 
 
 French Navy nuclear powered hunter-killer submarines (likely the Amethyste and perhaps others), plus French Naval Rafale fighter jets operating off of the USS Theodore Roosevelt as the French Carrier Charles de Gaulle is in dry dock, and assorted surface warships
 
 Various other US Navy warships and submarines and support ships. The following USN ships took part (as the ??enemy? forces) in Operation Brimstone and several may join in:
 
 USS San Jacinto (CG56) guided missile cruiser
 USS Anzio (CG68) guided missile cruiser
 USS Normandy (CG60) guided missile cruiser
 USS Carney (DDG64) guided missile destroyer
 USS Oscar Austin (DDG79) guided missile destroyer
 USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG81) guided missile destroyer
 USS Carr (FFG52) guided missile frigate
 
 The USS Iwo Jima and USS Peleliu Expeditionary Strike Groups have USMC Harrier jump jets and an assortment of assault and attack helicopters. The Expeditionary Strike Groups have powerful USMC Expeditionary Units with amphibious armor and ground forces trained for operating in shallow waters and in seizures of land assets, such as Qeshm Island (a 50 mile long island off of Bandar Abbas in the Gulf of Hormuz and headquarters of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps).
 
 The large and very advanced nature of the US Naval warships is not only directed at Iran. There is a great fear that Russia and China may oppose the naval and air/land blockade of Iran. If Russian and perhaps Chinese naval warships escort commercial tankers to Iran in violation of the blockade it could be the most dangerous at-sea confrontation since the Cuban Missile Crisis. The US and allied Navies, by front loading a Naval blockade force with very powerful guided missile warships and strike carriers is attempting to have a force so powerful that Russia and China will not be tempted to mess with. This is a most serious game of military brinkmanship with major nuclear armed powers that have profound objections to the neo-con grand strategy and to western control of all of the Middle East??s oil supply.
 
 The Russian Navy this spring sent a major battle fleet into the Mediterranean headed by the modern aircraft carrier the Admiral Kuznetsov and the flagship of its Black Sea Fleet, the Guided Missile Heavy Cruiser Moskva. This powerful fleet has at least 11 surface ships and unknown numbers of subs and can use the Russian naval facility at Syria??s Tartous port for resupply. The Admiral Kuznetsov carries approximately 47 warplanes and 10 helicopters. The warplanes are mostly the powerful Su-33, a naval version (with mid-air refueling capability) of the Su-27 family. While the Su-33 is a very powerful warplane it lacks the power of the stealth USAF F-22. However, the Russians insist that they have developed a plasma based system that allows them to stealth any aircraft and a recent incident where Russian fighters were able to appear unannounced over a US Navy carrier battle group tends to confirm their claims. The Su-33 can be armed with the 3M82 Moskit sea-skimming missile (NATO code name SS-N-22 Sunburn) and the even more powerful P-800 Oniks (also named Yakhonts; NATO code name SS-N-26 Onyx). Both missiles are designed to kill US Navy supercarriers by getting past the cruiser/destroyer screen and the USN point-defense Phalanx system by using high supersonic speeds and violent end maneuvers. Russian subs currently use the underwater rocket VA-111 Shkval (Squall), which is fired from standard 533mm torpedo tubes and reaches a speed of 360kph (230mph) underwater. There is no effective countermeasures to this system and no western counterpart.
 
 A strategic diversion has been created for Russia. The Republic of Georgia, with US backing, is actively preparing for war on South Ossetia. The South Ossetia capital has been shelled and a large Georgian tank force has been heading towards the border. Russia has stated that it will not sit by and allow the Georgians to attack South Ossetia. The Russians are great chess players and this game may not turn out so well for the neo-cons. UPDATE 8 August 2008 ~ War has broken out between Georgia and South Ossetia. At least 10 Russian troops have been killed and 30 wounded and 2 Russian fighter jets downed. American Marines, a thousand of them, have recently been in Georgia training the Georgian military forces. Several European nations stopped Bush and others from allowing Georgia into NATO. Russia is moving a large military force with armor towards the area. This could get bad, and remember it is just a strategic diversion?.but one that could have horrific effects. Link to story ??Russia sends forces into Georgia rebel conflict?. FURTHER UPDATE ~ Russian military forces in active combat; now total of four Russian fighter jets reported downed. ADDITIONAL UPDATE ~ Georgia calls for US help; Russian Air Force bombs Georgian air bases. DEBKA, the Israeli strategy and military site, states that Israeli military officers are advising the Georgian armed forces in combat operations and that 1,000 Israelis are in-combat on the side of Georgia at this time.
 
 Kuwait has activated its ??Emergency War Plan? as it and other Gulf nations prepare for the likelihood of a major regional war in the Middle East involving weapons of mass destruction.
 
 The two-ton elephant in the living room of the neo-con strategy is the advanced biowar (ABW) that Iran, and to a lessor extent Syria, has. This places the motherlands of the major neo-con nations (America, France, the United Kingdom), as well as Israel, in grave danger. When the Soviet Union fell the Iranians hired as many out-of-work former Soviet advanced biowar experts as possible. In the last 15 or so years they have helped to develop a truly world class ABW program utilizing recombination DNA genetic engineering technology to create a large number of man made killer viruses. This form of weapon system does not require high tech military delivery systems. The viruses are sub-microscopic and once seeded in a population use the population itself as vectors. Seeding can be done without notice in shopping malls, churches, and other public places. The only real defense to an advanced global strategic biowar attack is to lock down the population as rapidly as possible and let those infected die off.
 
 Unless the public gets it act together and forces the neo-cons to stop the march to yet another war in the Middle East we are apt to see a truly horrific nightmare unfold in OUR COUNTRIES.
 
 
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 August 8, 2008Anubis10012007 Reviewed by Anubis10012007 on . Massive US Naval Armada Heads For Iran Operation Brimstone ended only one week ago. This was the joint US/UK/French naval war games in the Atlantic Ocean preparing for a naval blockade of Iran and the likely resulting war in the Persian Gulf area. The massive war games included a US Navy supercarrier battle group, an US Navy expeditionary carrier battle group, a Royal Navy carrier battle group, a French nuclear hunter-killer submarine plus a large number of US Navy cruisers, destroyers and frigates playing the ??enemy force?. Rating: 5
 
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	08-17-2008, 06:24 PM #2 Senior Member Senior Member
 Massive US Naval Armada Heads For IranPost credible source. \"Look hard in the mirror. Look at that ghost that stares back at you. Look at that faded spirit that longs to act in this world but cannot because the mind is fearful and holds it back. Placing limits on things, and boundaries everywhere.\" -Rev
 
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	08-17-2008, 06:37 PM #3 Senior Member Senior Member
 Massive US Naval Armada Heads For Iran Originally Posted by Dream of the iris Originally Posted by Dream of the iris
 
 
 Exactly what I was thinking. Been searching for 2 days looking for proof of this on another website and still cannot find a credible source other then the rantings of a conspiracy theorist blogger.
 
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	08-17-2008, 07:51 PM #4 Senior Member Senior Member
 Massive US Naval Armada Heads For IranCredible or not, for me makes a lot of sense... mainly the part about the war with the Georgia being only a thing to distract Russia. 
 Anyway, if the usa start a new war, this time against the Iran, im deadly sure that it wont be nearly as easy as it was against Iraq... Iran has great technology on weapons, and the help of great nations as Russia and China... so it will be a far greater problem for the usa then it thinks...
 And also what is the point in starting a war only some months before the presidential election? None... UNLESS the governement be deadly sure that its own candidate (McCain) will win, and thus keep the war going.
 So, if this war actually start, be aware that McCain will win the election, even if the whole country vote against it. (Wasnt this way that Bush won the election the first time, against Al Gore?)
 
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	08-17-2008, 08:18 PM #5 Senior Member Senior Member
 Massive US Naval Armada Heads For IranHey, you make some very good points. If the war was to start before the elections im sure huge questions would come up like "Can Obama or Mccain win a war Vs. Everyone" Which is an oxymoron question because Mccain has superior military strategic knowledge. As a US Citizen I really really really hope we do not attack Iran, I hope that the problems are solved Diplomatically. Attacking Iran would spark a dominoe effect and im sure life as we know it would change for a lot of americans. I hope we dont go down that path!!! Originally Posted by Coelho Originally Posted by Coelho
 
 
 - Rob
 
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	08-18-2008, 01:24 AM #6 OPSenior Member OPSenior Member
 Massive US Naval Armada Heads For IranMassive US Naval Armada Heads For Iran Originally Posted by RobPA Originally Posted by RobPA
 
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	08-18-2008, 06:57 PM #7 Senior Member Senior Member
 Massive US Naval Armada Heads For Iran Originally Posted by Anubis10012007 Originally Posted by Anubis10012007
 I know that man. I meant a CREDIBLE source. Not the Earl of Stirling :jointsmile:
 
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	08-19-2008, 01:43 AM #8 OPSenior Member OPSenior Member
 Massive US Naval Armada Heads For IranWhy do you think this has no credibility? You expect a major media outlet to tell the truth? Hahahaha! Well I just gave you the truth so don't complain when it happens. Originally Posted by RobPA Originally Posted by RobPA
 
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	08-19-2008, 02:20 AM #9 Senior Member Senior Member
 Massive US Naval Armada Heads For IranThis is the funniest thing I've ever read. An entire armada being assembled and no where on any news site in the world other than this blog is the story being told. I'll give you this; it's imaginative! 
 
 The second-funniest thing are the geographical/marine logistics involved. The Persian Gulf is a small, narrow inland sea. It's about 990 kilometers long and 55 kilometers wide. To access it, there's a single, 21-mile wide sea passage, the Straight of Hormuz. That Gulf could no more hold or sustain an enormous multi-national armada of more than 50 aircraft carriers, submarines, frigates, carriers or destroyers than could Lake Texoma on the border of Texas and Oklahoma.
 
 Someone would have to hire an equally huge special forces team of air- and sea-traffic controllers just to manage the gridlock and let small, manageable "armada groups" take turns coming in and out through the Straight so everyone could take a turn threatening Iran. There would be so many collisions between F18s trying to fly to and from their carriers that it'd be hard to make actual bombing sorties, and at $41 million a plane, I'm thinking it's unlikely they'd risk those pricey birds. Besides, right now with the active conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, our country doesn't have the available resources to undertake an effort of this scope. Not that it would even if it did.
 
 This made my day. It really did. Thanks for a great laugh.[SIZE=\"4\"]\"That best portion of a good man\'s life: his little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and love.\"[/SIZE]
 [align=center]William Wordsworth, English poet (1770 - 1850)[/align]
 
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	08-28-2008, 12:49 PM #10 Senior Member Senior Member
 Massive US Naval Armada Heads For Iran 
 Navy: Gulf exercise to boost security - Navy News, opinions, editorials, news from Iraq, photos, reports - Navy Times
 Navy: Gulf exercise to boost security
 
 The Associated Press
 Posted : Wednesday Aug 27, 2008 14:11:22 EDT
 
 DUBAI, United Arab Emirates ?? The Navy says American, British and Bahraini ships are carrying out a five-day exercise to improve security in the Persian Gulf and better protect coalition ships against vessels ??deemed threatening.?
 
 The Navy statement released Wednesday by the Bahrain headquarters of the 5th Fleet says the exercise is dubbed ??Goalkeeper.? It started Sunday and is led by Britain??s Royal Navy Commodore Peter Hudson.
 
 Hudson is quoted as saying the maneuvers will help fine-tune skills such as ??locating and tracking? vessels that threaten ships patrolling the Gulf and ??handling command-and-control? operations during a potential confrontation.
 
 Gulf waters and the narrow Strait of Hormuz have seen close encounters between U.S. and Iranian vessels.
 
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