Quote Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
not EXACTLY... the laws of physics are still in control of the individual's body. they may be able to SEE the truth, but they have to exercise their body in order to be able to weild it.
Well... if one assumes that the reality as we percieve it (including the laws of physics) is only a product of the mind, then the physical body as we percieve it is also a product of the mind.
It would explain why some people get miraculously cured of incurable diseases, etc, only by faith (which some ones calls power of the mind, suggestion, whatever).

Quote Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
while this may be a load of crap, it generally hilights my point that while we CAN rise above physics, it is still within the framework of physics, or maybe "just" a "higher physics".
While i also think that there are higher laws that govern the things beyond the human realm, i dont think they are "just a higher physics". I strongly believe that physics and math are the result of how our brain is hardwired to percieve the world, and so there is no reason to think that any laws outside the human realm should be able to be described by mathematics of physics.
Of course, if we humans were to try to understand this laws, probably we would only understand it in terms of math and physics, because it would be as our brain works, but it doesnt mean the laws itself should obey math or physics.
Or maybe this "higher" laws are NOT able to be rightly understood by means of math or physics... that would explain why until today there is unexplained things, mainly in physics (quantum physics for example). It would be just a result of the impossibility of expressing mathematically the laws that actually governs the universe.

Quote Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
Cause and effect are true, regardless of our huamn perceptions of them.
I dont think so... cause and effect are only valid when you admit that there is a flow of the time, that events can precede events. But in general relativity for example (as well as in some occulter subjects), we learn that there is a thing called space-time, that represents at the same "place" all the past and future of anything. Like if the time were only other direction. And so if one is able to percieve all this 4 dimensions (3 of space and 1 of time) at once, one percieves all the past and all the future together, "at the same time". And in this case there is no causality, as causes and effects are being there "at the same time", only at different "places".

Quote Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
Human beings have perceptive senses, but no knowledge sensory perception; we only know what we percieve.
With this i agree completly!