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08-22-2008, 04:13 AM #11Senior Member
Colin Powell to endorse Obama
Originally Posted by khronik
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08-22-2008, 05:39 AM #12Senior Member
Colin Powell to endorse Obama
to me this is a good sign:
a marijuana supporter is a fox news supporter, maybe thats what we need more in this country to actually change something legal about weed!!!
sorry for it being off-topic, but i find it quite interesting, as i was thinking till this moment that such thin is kinda impossible!!
to me its like having a beer drinkin/bacon luvin muslim!!! lol
(im not making a joke of u, its just funny and interesting and really eye opening to me)Whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship, the people can always B brought 2 the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All U have 2 do is tell them they R being attacked & denounce the pacifists 4 lack of patriotism & exposing the country 2 danger. It works the same way in any country.
-Göring, 2nd in command of Hitler
Jingoism is defined in the Oxford English Dictionary as \"extreme patriotism in the form of aggressive foreign policy\".
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08-22-2008, 10:47 AM #13Senior Member
Colin Powell to endorse Obama
Originally Posted by khronik
Ideas:
-I don't like his plan for universal health care
-He has proven that he has no concept of military strategy
---But yet this is the man that wants to put us into Darfur
-He's not really for drilling for oil here in the states
-Raising taxes such as capital gains isn't going to help the economy
Intellect:
-Smart man, no problem there
-Multitude of "present" votes in state legislature instead of a commitment vote
-144 days of Senate and a pretty speech doesn't equate to being qualified for being the President
Character:
-Rev. Wright
-The Trinity Church
-Tony Rezko
-William Ayers
-Brother living on a dollar a day
-When in a bind, play the race card
-The same platform that he used to beat Clinton now seems to be a thing of the past....decietful
I agree that these are things that ALL voters should look at.
Have a good one!:s4:
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08-22-2008, 12:33 PM #14Senior Member
Colin Powell to endorse Obama
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
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08-22-2008, 04:09 PM #15Senior Member
Colin Powell to endorse Obama
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
- He's running for President, not general, and besides, he has the best understanding of the political climates in other countries of any of the candidates. And I don't understand why you think he has no concept of military strategy anyway.
- The problem in Darfur is lawlessness, so it's pretty hard to make things worse like we did in Iraq. And besides, the UN is already involved there.
- Opening up more areas to drilling isn't as simple as it seems. For one, there are plenty of good drilling sites in the US already that aren't being used, even though there's nothing stopping the oil companies. Plus, oil won't last forever. We need to gradually transition away from oil and if we use it up as fast as we can there will be a pretty devastating crash. Slowly opening up new drilling sites as need warrants it is the prudent thing to do. And still, Obama has said he WOULD be open to allowing drilling in new places provided certain safeguards are in place.
- I always hear that lowering capital gains tax raises revenue, but that's only for the very short term, as investors sell off all their investments due to low taxes. I don't see how taxing capital gains like you'd tax other income is such a bad thing.
Intellect:
-Smart man, no problem there
-Multitude of "present" votes in state legislature instead of a commitment vote
-144 days of Senate and a pretty speech doesn't equate to being qualified for being the President
- Obama had 129 present votes out of his 4000+ votes in the state senate. There is nothing unusual about this for Illinois state senators.
- Yeah, I admit his tenure in the senate was short, though I'm not seeing where you get 144 days, unless you're only counting the days the senate was in session or something. Still, he has more experience than Abraham Lincoln did when he ran for president.
Character:
-Rev. Wright
-The Trinity Church
-Tony Rezko
-William Ayers
- It is really easy to find things the Trinity Church did and said, then take them grossly out of context to make Obama seem like a Black Panther or something. Please don't do this, ok?
- Tony Rezko was really involved in Chicago politics. He donated to a bunch of campaigns and held fundraisers for candidates. Once the corruption charges came up, Obama dropped him and donated his money to charity. Obama isn't suspected of wrongdoing in any of the investigations surrounding Rezko.
- Barack served on a board with William Ayers. So what? It's not like they were best buddies, or Ayers is still in the Weather Underground. As a politician, you associate with so many people, you can't possibly vet every person you come across.
-Brother living on a dollar a day
-When in a bind, play the race card
-The same platform that he used to beat Clinton now seems to be a thing of the past....decietful
- Although his supporters have tried to play the race card, it doesn't help Barack any. If anything, it alienates him from white voters, who are the ones he needs to win.
- What in particular did he abandon after he beat Clinton, other than the pledge to use public financing? (I admit this last one was an underhanded thing to do, but he is a politician trying to win after all)
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08-22-2008, 05:04 PM #16Senior Member
Colin Powell to endorse Obama
Originally Posted by khronik
-A commander-in-chief is the commander of a nation's military forces, I personally don't think that we've had a President for YEARS that has been qualified for that position. Before a person should be able to send troops I feel that they should have a grasp on what goes on in the lines. This world is at a state where we need someone that knows about these things today, not training by trial and error like we've seen. Bush and Rumsfeld should send red flags for the election of future candidates.
-I agree that alternatives to oil should be explored; that should have been done already considering what we went through in the late "70"s. Untill then if there is as much as a drop of oil here in the states I say let's get the middle eastern oil monkey off our back.
-Right now capital gains on long term investments is 15% and I believe 28% on short term. In order to get the lower tax rate the investment has to be held for longer than one year. I can't see how this would create more of a sell off. This is just one example of his tax plan. I'm also not for windfall taxes, while the government taxes the cost of this will find it's way to us, Joe consumer.
Originally Posted by khronik
-If your there I would think it should either be a yes vote or a no vote. If this is the common I think they'd better look harder at their candidates. That's why they're elected, to make the hard decisions.
-The way I understood it, 144 days was the time period from which he was in Senate until he decided to run for President. As for Lincoln, that was a much simpler time.
Originally Posted by khronik
-Tony Rezko was well known and people that dealt with him knew what he was about. Tony also helped out Obama with his land deal. While promoting change he was making deals like all the rest.
-If I were in politics and a person that was related to terrorist bombings here in the states I'd treat him like the plague. His statement in "01" should have been enough to run off Obama but it didn't. You can't vet everyone granted but this dudes past was well known in the Chicago circle of politics.
Originally Posted by khronik
-"I don't look like the Presidents on our currency"....That was his statement. The GOP knows that just a mention of his color would bring nothing but suicide to their election hopes. So far, he's played it with McCain and depending on the point of view, with B. Clinton.
-Yeah, public financing is one. Then there is his vote on FISA, his change of stance on troop withdrawl, possible drilling for oil; you have to agree that some primary issues have been modified for the general election.
I'm getting the impression that you feel I'm a republican....I'm not. I've voted for both sides of the aisle and have also voted for the independent. In general, I think that 99.9% of all politicians are self-indulgent assholes.
Have a good one!:s4:
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08-24-2008, 08:35 PM #17Senior Member
Colin Powell to endorse Obama
Originally Posted by rebgirl420
Wow, I agree with this COMPLETELY. Theres nothing like the No Spin Zone and Hannity and that other guy (hahaha). CNN, ABC, NBC are all in love with Obama. For unbiased news reporting I watch Fox news and will continue to do so.
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08-25-2008, 08:58 PM #18Senior Member
Colin Powell to endorse Obama
Is Bill Kristol ever right about ANYTHING? He pulls this kind of crap out of his ass every day and none of it ever pans out. How is he even still in the business?
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