Chivalry is dead, and women killed it.

[daihashi]

My my, leave for 24 hours and look where things go...

I'm not quite sure why, but every single woman on here seems to think I either

A. Don't respect women.
B. Think women are inferior.
C. Have never had sex nor been in a relationship.

As misguided and incorrect as all those views are, they are still personal to everyone and I can't really hassle you about them.

Anywho, I stand by my main point. Equality is essentially defined by itself, in that the word means exactly what it says. If you would do something for one side and not for another, you are conciously and purposefully shooting down equality. Therefore, you cannot be a woman and expect a man to treat you like he will other men. I do not expect in the slightest for a woman to treat me as she would another woman. I firmly believe that equality (much like peace) is a lie, a dream conjured up by the oppressed. Would I totally dig it if it worked? Of course, but I highly doubt it ever will.

I think you're ignoring the fact that you said most women are not intelligent. Whether you felt this to be true or not it probably should not have been voiced aloud as it just reaks of ignorance. In addition you are confusing courtship to equal rights.

In the end as human beings we are still animals. Just about every species in the animal Kingdom has a courting process they go through when trying to select a mate. We are no different. These "inequalities" you speak of are simply courting behavioral patterns that have been instilled in us for a very long time.

also cannot say that I help to encourage equality by my very nature, since I don't believe it's actually real. And no, the fact that I havn't met many intelligent women actually has nothing to do with my attitude, because I'm not one bit in person as I am on these boards. On the internet, one can say anything with near impunity. If I had said my TRUE views in reality, I can imagine the backlash would be much the same as is seen here.

So basically you're a tough guy behind a keyboard? Are these things you would never say in public? Why be a person on an internet forum when you're not that person in real life? Honestly that's just pathetic, be yourself no matter where you are or who you're with.

I don't believe you've strengthened your argument at all with this post, you've just weakened it.

[daihashi]

I probably shouldn't mention the fact that most people are going out of their way to insult me and that the two mods who've responded to the thread (who are women) most likely won't do anything about it. But I just did, so that's that. Luckily it's nearly impossible to insult me, because everyone takes life FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR too seriously. I'm extremely glad that I don't.

Do I smell a ban-hammer descending upon me? Perhaps.

You actually seem to be trying to provoke a ban or suspension. No one has said ban and you are ignoring the fact that you just slammed an entire Gender. People are only insulting you.

I'm glad you feel confident to post your thoughts on a forum and I can understand what it is you were trying to say however you did it all wrong. You came across as very abrasive and sexist. You even self admit to extreme sexism at times. You honestly expected to make this thread, say all that.. then acknowledge the fact that you're hiding behind your keyboard and not get any backlash.

You say you haven't met any intelligent women.. I am beginning to believe that it's because you are socially inept and are lacking common sense.

[daihashi]

Unfortunately, you're wrong. I don't blame women for anything. I'm starting to believe that most people don't actually read the original post, because some of the comments here are just mind boggling...

Pot calling the kettle black? Go back and re-read your own post. You have a plethora of people telling you that what you said is really messed up. Perhaps you should re-read what you said and think it over.

If you still feel you've said nothing wrong then you are extremely obtuse in nature and I would have to say I would be glad to not know you in real life. :wtf:

[Hollywierdtoker]

Can anyone now please explain to me what equality is?
I think everyone has a different view...

To debate a subject that is purely opinion is crazy.
On the otherhand the OP did come off a little uhhh.... like an ignorant asshole, but I just don't think he is explaining himself well.

I think we should just treat eachother as equals, but also show the utmost respect for one another. And please be nice to your "ladyfriend" because she isn't just a piece of meat...she has feelings, thoughts, and opinions too! Same goes for you ladies to your "boytoys" haha....

And no punching people in the jaws unless that's how you both like to get down...

PLUR. Peace, love, unity, respect.
Word.

[stinkyattic]

My take is this:
Equality means that if a couple were to split up, each would still be able to maintain a respectable standard of living (without alimony, which doesn't count lol), but as a team, they bring each of their capabilities into a pretty nice existence that is at least the sum of its parts.
Equality means having your own assets and education independent of your partner.
It means splitting up responsibilities based upon what each person likes to do, and is good at, instead of 'because you are a man' or 'beacuse you are a woman'.

I hate washing dishes. I love cooking. My equal partner hopefully would be someone who thinks that loading the dishwasher is a good trade for a gourmet meal! I don't mind cleaning the bathtub, but can someone taller than me PLEASE deal with the shower curtain hangers so I don't break my damn neck?
See what I'm getting at?

Equality means a division of labor that does not cause resentment in either party.

[Dave Byrd]

Pot calling the kettle black? Go back and re-read your own post. You have a plethora of people telling you that what you said is really messed up. Perhaps you should re-read what you said and think it over.

Daihashi, this and your last two posts were very good. I tried to positive-rep you but it says I have to spread some rep around first. I will come back to do so. You definitely deserve good rep on that.

I'm more and more convinced that the smartest, most interesting and perceptive people in the world are women. My female colleagues and the female nurses in our hospitals work with patients and see things on a whole different level than men do. It's amazing and it's a nice complement to the way we do business, and I appreciate it more the longer I witness it. Men are effective, too, obviously. It's the perception and intuitive nature they edge us on, I think.

My take is this:
Equality means that if a couple were to split up, each would still be able to maintain a respectable standard of living (without alimony, which doesn't count lol), but as a team, they bring each of their capabilities into a pretty nice existence that is at least the sum of its parts.
Equality means having your own assets and education independent of your partner.
It means splitting up responsibilities based upon what each person likes to do, and is good at, instead of 'because you are a man' or 'beacuse you are a woman'.

I hate washing dishes. I love cooking. My equal partner hopefully would be someone who thinks that loading the dishwasher is a good trade for a gourmet meal! I don't mind cleaning the bathtub, but can someone taller than me PLEASE deal with the shower curtain hangers so I don't break my damn neck?
See what I'm getting at?

Equality means a division of labor that does not cause resentment in either party.

This is one of the best explanations of equality I've ever read because it's practical and functional. Accurate, too.

I think equality in partnership or marriage is a give and take thing. It's not always totally equal, either. The boundaries move. Sometimes one person's carrying more of the load than the other, but it evens out in other ways. Successful pairings seem to depend on that flexibility so they can weather the rough patches like sickness versus health or poor versus rich, if that makes sense. I think that's why they put those words in wedding vows--to remind couples they've got to be flexible during the rough times.

[painretreat]

Stinky: I could have written that! Exactly what and how I feel and do! Not only do I dislike doing the dishes, I hate to take the trash out. But, i do it!

Equal work should be equal pay! I don't know the present stats, but women still make less money than men for the same work, in most case's; not all!

Comparing men to women is like comparing medical mj to mexico schwagg! There are exceptions. I've seen men that can't do more than a weak woman and women that have the strength of some men.

We are not built equal. So we make up for it with manners and human compassion. That makes things a little more equal.

On another note: Who says life is fair! If were equal in every physical aspect-then what?

Dave, you are a wise man. Bring up an important point. WE do need to keep our minds open to learn and grow! Always improving ourselves! pr:hippy:

[GreenDestiny]

GD....please.....you couldn't care less about womens' right and you know it. You're just excited to be talking about "boobs" in any way, shape OR form with women and trying to couch it in some sort of "discussion" to sound like you actually give a shit what they think.

Whether or not you think so.....the drooling shows. We weren't born yesterday.

The fact that I have a great fondness for natural breasts has nothing to do with my views on womens' rights. Because I openly admire a part of the female body doesn't mean that I care nothing about their rights.

I suggested a new right for women to have, the right to be equally topless (despite my own personal/selfish feelings for it), and then you twisted it around to make it look like I don't care about their rights. I fail to make sense of your logic. You're not the sole spokesperson for all females; some really would like to have that extra freedom.

Your retorts sadden me, accusing me of not caring. I don't know why you're trying to argue with me using such misplaced accusations, I can't read your mind so whatever lead you to your conclusions I am not quite certain. I don't believe I've said anything to make myself sound sexist. You're a real cool lady, I hate to see you making generalizations and petty attacks at my character.

come on... truce!

[stinkyattic]

Boobies? Where?
Awwwww false alarm dammit

I got another flash of clarity... might have been the hexane fumes at work, or the tedious labor, buuuuut....

Early in the thread the concept of secure vs. insecure women and their responses to 'chivalrous' acts was brought up.
From where I sit, I'd like to remind the Y chromosome set that it would not make a man who is secure in his own gender image uncomfortable if his girlfriend wanted to pay for dinner.

You know what killed chivalry? Kindergarten teachers. Those evil creatures, in their flowered dresses and comfortable brown shoes, are teaching OUR CHILDREN that sharing and taking turns are how you treat others! DAMMIT, I demand a Congressional hearing!

[Dave Byrd]

I had to sign back on here when I started seeing the words "boobs" and "natural breasts" being used. Made me happy just thinking about them. Sorry if this offends anyone on a women's forum. I am trained in matters of the chest. Still miss that jiggly avatar that used to be on that former mod's profile, too.

I'll get busted for this by MRs. Byrd, but I'm already busted as it is. She looked in on the Web from school and saw that I'd been posting. Then called me because I am supposed to be helping the neighbors with some house-related work that their contractor canceled on. She thought I was slacking on the neighbors and not doing what I'd promised which was what I'd been instructed to do by you know who in cahoots with our neighbor's wife.

So I thought I'd say a bit more about equality and give and take. Maybe this is really about autonomy. Not sure this has to do with chivalry, but my wife'll make it about that when she speaks to me again. It is for men who're in marriages, though. I think it's inadvisable to get in the habit of routinely and consistently doing as instructed. Give and take is fine. You also have to set limits and do what you want. Like this.

Chances are, even when you do what you've been told, you're still not going to make them 100% happy. Like this.

Happy 25th anniversary next week, Bird!