Chivalry is dead, and women killed it.

[painretreat]

I think women's equality is misinterpreted by many and understood, only to those that have experienced it. Trying to understand is a nice thing to do. Getting angry and confused as a result, doesn't educate you and that seems to be what you are asking us. "What we want!"

We are women. We don't wanted treated like a man, with him holding a cocktail as we walk in the door from work and our shoes removed, carassed and asked "how was your day honey?" We do that for men and a real woman likes it when he does do that once in a while, regardless of equality or not! It is human kindness and makes anyone feel respected and loved by that special person!

Opening a car door is an individual thing--I don't think manners and respect need legislated.

IT IS EQUAL PAY AND TREATMENT IN THE WORK PLACE. NO GLASS CEILING! Sure, we do not have the muscle mass of men. I for one, could never have been a soldier with the physical requirements of strength!

When a new hire "male" comes to work, in a place you've been 7 years and he makes double your pay and you are his boss--that is a big one! Then in a few months he is head of the department!

For me, that is just one of very many issues. Even though I am not black--I am begining to think that it is much deeper for them, in ways that have been mentioned.

I PRAY FOR WORLD PEACE! When we lose discrimanation, in all forms--it will happen! pr

painretreat Reviewed by painretreat on 08-12-2008. Chivalry is dead, and women killed it. I was idly surfing the boards when I saw the thread on Affirmative Action. In essence it was a thread on equality and fairness and what have you. That made me think about another instance of inequality in our society. I'm speaking, of course, about the division of men and women. I will freely admit that I frequently have my moments of EXTREME sexism, but I feel that that's largely because I haven't met too many really intelligent women or women that really have anything exciting or Rating: 5

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

so long as there are misinformed people and people who choose to ignore the facts (we call them ignorant) there will always be prejudice, descrimination, and ignorant hate.

[GreenDestiny]

Most of the girls I've known and dated didn't seem to appreciate anything romantic I did for them... so I eventually just stopped doing it and treated them as an equal; they didn't seem to like that... go figure....

I just haven't met the right girl that will appreciate what I have to offer. That's all.

But, yeah, most females I have encountered do seem to want special treatment, and they can get extremely picky about it too. For example, they'll want all these niceties done for them and in return they allow us to be with them - dating, companionship, sex, etc.... as if it's some kinda divine privilege since they can always pick a "better guy" to be with that they can manipulate easier. On the other hand, most guys I've encountered expect too much sex and will manipulate girls for it..... but it doesn't surprise me since it's usually one of the few benefits they receive from a relationship. Guys end up doing all this chivilrous stuff to get laid, so then it's no surprise when a girl is over cautious and doesn't reciprocate with nice gestures.

We're both to blame... equally. lol

The women I get along with the most are lesbians; lesbians are awesome... I wish I was one...


On a tangent note, it makes me sick to be exposed to male breasts all the time while female breasts are censored/hidden from public view. Just because ours do not function we get to go topless without anything to cover them up? Ladies, you shouldn't have given up on the bra burning! (I support topless equality)

[Weedhound]

GD....Your "tangent note" makes me think "what you are offering" that women don't seem to find attractive is the viewpoint stated right there.

Guess what....we're NOT all about the sex organs.....surprise!!

[SunnyD]

If I wouldn't be romantic with my best friend, I sure as shit probably won't be romantic with you

oh boy...tsk tsk tsk...Have you ever "made it" with a lady?...if you haven't...that's why you feel this way...

You must be very familiar with Jill...

Let me introduce you (those who don't know Jill) to Jill

Look at your right hand palm down, what do the lines of your fingers spell?
1.) Thumb + forefinger = "J"
2.) Middle Finger = "I"
3.) Ring and Pinky = two "L"'s...

[stinkyattic]

I firmly believe that whenever a woman invokes that special right of equality, but then turns around and wants me to do something special for them, they deserve a swift punch in the jaw.

Please, give me your opinions.

All right, you asked for it...

The world gives back what you put into it. No wonder chicks treat you like shit. You come across in this post like a guy who deserves it.

Try punching THIS chick, with both a military and commercial fishing background, supplemented by a lot of time as a farm laborer, in the jaw... If it weren't for the ever-so-fashionable sparkly right hand ring, you'd think the mark was left by a man. And I still really DO blush and giggle and get my nails did and let dudes hold the door for me and wear skirts and heels and have a cute boyfriend who takes me out for dinner and I cook a mean lasagne.

But at the end of the day, the name on the check that pays for my house and car is MINE. And when I need someone to come by with a trailer, or help me move something heavy, I wait until lawn mowing day and throw the landscaper another 40 bucks to add another job to the visit. Simple, business, done. It comes to mind that if you are doing a favor for a chick just because you want to get laid- lolol that's not a real favor! And since when is equality a 'special right'?

Do you even know the MEANING of chivalry? The world has changed a lot since women were not allowed to vote or own property, and were considered the property of their husband or father. There's a difference between being genuinely nice while being respectful, and being 'nice' in a way that demeans the recipient of your fake niceness. Maybe if you have outdated expectations, you should move to Saudi Arabia, where your wife will not be allowed to drive a car or work without your permission, and you can be the attentive husband and throw her a bone every so often- you know, hold the door for her, or bring her home flowers, because hey, in the big scheme of things, you can afford such tokens of chivalry without any risk to your own power in the household!

Sorry you want girls to play Damsel in Distress for ya... I'm not into that particular fetish, bro.

[TurnyBright]

Does it really cause you that much trouble to do little nice things for a woman because they're a woman, and not do majorly unfair things for a woman because they're a woman?

[SunnyD]

P.S. - I wasn't implying I do favors for "special" return favors Stinky (If you referred to me in your post...)

Me and my better half are doing quite well

[stinkyattic]

Did I quote you? No. Directed at the comment in the quote box.

[apocolips31]

Women have equal rights but, do they have equal responsibility's? Example: If the USA were to get into a big war where we needed drafts, who would be the ones getting drafted?