There is no point. How can I debate with someone who thinks it's ok to jail someone for 20 YEARS, for a dope offence, on the basis of a show trial which breaches the victim's legal and human rights every day? Simply, apparently, because of their 'beliefs'?

It's a ludicrous argument and it justifies nothing. What about Hitler's beliefs? EXACTLY the same argument could be used for non-intervention there, because we imposed our 'beliefs' on him.

I personally find 'beliefs' that are used to systematically abuse people and strip them of their human rights obscene. I genuinely cannot believe there are opinions out there to the opposite. But there are.