Schapelle Corby

[SteveV]

That is clearly not 'bashing' anyone. It is simply stating what I would do if I were in someone else's shoes, as in normal conversation. That is all. I would defend myself against libel and slander, which is basically what I said.

There is absolutelty nothing wrong with stating that, here or anywhere else.

BTW: This is a cannabis forum, not one on Sierra Lione/etc.

[SunnyD]

Thank you, I'm quite aware of that

I'm going to bid you Au revoir

I have no more interest to try and calm you down

[psychocat]

No: it isn't as simple as that. Nothing like.

We will have to agree to disagree on this one, I do believe it to be simply a question of guilt and motive.
I believe she is guilty and her motives were financial.

The real issue is should she be spending 20 YEARS in an Indonesian prison cell. No. That is absolutely grotesque, and disproportionate, whether she did it or not..

Neither you nor I have any right to tell another country what laws they may have nor what penalties to levy if someone breaks those laws.
We can disagree with them all we want.

I don't think she did it for one second. But regardless, another massive issue: the nature of the show trial. A complete and utter breach of legal and human rights. Incredible..

Who decides what those rights should be ?
What right do we have to impose our beliefs on another ?
You presume to believe that a visitor should be afforded priveliges not given to residents, why should that be ? Just because you believe it ?

Then everything that as followed, from the constant smears on her family, to the use of a sedated/drugged Schapelle Corby even this week for Indonesian photographic propaganda..

Please provide evidence that this is the case , media reports do not constitute evidence unless you can prove there is no bias.

Simplifying it hides a raft or evils, which would have raised eyebrows even in the middle ages.

You really need to read up on what was happening in the Middle ages, violence was a way to power and fueds were commonplace, war was widespread and the atrocities carried out make most modern wars look positively tame in comparison.

Even biological warfare dates from the 14th century.

CDC - Biological Warfare at the 1346 Siege of Caffa

And



I STILL THINK SHE'S GUILTY
:beatdeadhorse:

[SteveV]

There is no point. How can I debate with someone who thinks it's ok to jail someone for 20 YEARS, for a dope offence, on the basis of a show trial which breaches the victim's legal and human rights every day? Simply, apparently, because of their 'beliefs'?

It's a ludicrous argument and it justifies nothing. What about Hitler's beliefs? EXACTLY the same argument could be used for non-intervention there, because we imposed our 'beliefs' on him.

I personally find 'beliefs' that are used to systematically abuse people and strip them of their human rights obscene. I genuinely cannot believe there are opinions out there to the opposite. But there are.

[psychocat]

NO !
Not the Hitler card ..
Lame ,very very lame.

[sarah louise]

LOL argumentum ad Nazium already?

Surely you have more than that Steve?

You complain about lack of substantiation, well what about the video?

Even the most basic work of fiction must have some internal consistency.

Supposedly, interstate drug runners operating out of airport baggage handling facilities in Australia stashed 4.2 kg of ganja in a bogie board bag and forgot to collect it meaning that it ended up in Indonesia, just at the same time the Indonesian government is looking for a high profile drug case in catch a fortune in external drug-war funding.

And it's true because you saw it on the internet. Really?

I stand by my first statement, spam, Corby flavoured spam.

[psychocat]

LOL argumentum ad Nazium already?

Surely you have more than that Steve?

You complain about lack of substantiation, well what about the video?

Even the most basic work of fiction must have some internal consistency.

Supposedly, interstate drug runners operating out of airport baggage handling facilities in Australia stashed 4.2 kg of ganja in a bogie board bag and forgot to collect it meaning that it ended up in Indonesia, just at the same time the Indonesian government is looking for a high profile drug case in catch a fortune in external drug-war funding.

And it's true because you saw it on the internet. Really?

I stand by my first statement, spam, Corby flavoured spam.

Yeah but my Ghengis Khan pisses allover his Hitler .

[SteveV]

The Australian government will confirm that Schapelle Corby made a formal request to have the drugs tested. Ask your rep there. Facts always trump baseless smears.

I am also retaining the screenshots of your earlier libel in case it is required by anyone for legal action against you.


Campaigning against someone suffering in a hell hole for 20 years eh? I wonder exactly what motivates that?

[sarah louise]

The Australian government will confirm that Schapelle Corby made a formal request to have the drugs tested. Ask your rep there. Facts always trump baseless smears.

You have that a little arse about - the Australian Federal Police offered to undertake forensic testing on Schapelle Corby's luggage, the offered was rejected because any evidence would have also been made available to the Indonesia prosecution as well. That is a matter of public record.

I am also retaining the screenshots of your earlier libel in case it is required by anyone for legal action against you.

ROFL thanks for that :thumbsup:

I think it is pretty pathetic to try and silence an opposing opinion by raising the spectre of legal action (oooooooooooooooooooh so scared now). Are you capable of reconciling the bizarre contradictions in the Corby story without making threats or moral judgements?

Campaigning against someone suffering in a hell hole for 20 years eh? I wonder exactly what motivates that?

I have no idea of what motivates you Steve, but by the anger, indignation and venom of your responses, I expect it isn't anything based in logic or rationality.

Maybe your the sort of person who needs to have a cause? Maybe you feel unfulfilled in your own life and need something to get your adrenalin pumping?
Maybe you have fallen in love with a sad eyed picture and a theme song?

I don't know and I don't much care, I just wish you would either come up with something rational or stop spreading this garbage.

My thoughts might not be to your liking Steve, but they aren't defamatory so you can save cluttering up your hdd with any more screen shots.

sara lou :hippy:

[SteveV]

the Australian Federal Police offered to undertake forensic testing on Schapelle Corby's luggage, the offered was rejected because any evidence would have also been made available to the Indonesia prosecution as well. That is a matter of public record.

Please do not LIE again. I have a copy of the document on my PC, from the Australian Consulate General in Bali. It is a file note dated December 3 2004. It is a public document, so you can request it for yourself. It makes it 100% clear that Schapelle requested the tests. Yet still people make up lies.

I think it is pretty pathetic to try and silence an opposing opinion by raising the spectre of legal action

Even ignoring what libel says about you as a person, you cannot libel people with malicious lies as you have done. It is illegal, and subject to legal action. Legal action is a remedy to deal with liars. That is all it is.

If you don't lie: no possibility of legal action. It is that simple.

I will retain the records.

I have no idea of what motivates you Steve...

I am motivated because someone is suffering horribly and unjustly. That is a pretty positive human emotion.

What motivates someone to come back again and again and again to try to argue for that terrible suffering to continue though? What motivates someone to even put themselves in danger of legal action for libel by doing it?

Enough said...