Heavy fighting in South Ossetia

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the american indians never had a sovereign nation. what a load of crap. america was their sovereign land.

I never said it was right. But by definition The American Indians never had a Sovereign Nation. America was not a sovereign land in 1492. Here's a list of other unrecognized countries: List of unrecognized countries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don't shoot the messenger. I don't make up international rules I just regurgitate the information. :hippy:

georgia gained independance from russia in like 91, ossetia declared theirs in 92. why does georgia have the right to keep people they dont want.

Why did we have the right to reunite our nation (civil war). They have really been in an idle civil war since 1992. If you want to take the high road then why are Russia or anyone for that matter interfere with another countries civil war?

Why would Ossetia who broke away from Russia go running back to them?

In either case... again I don't agree with it but I can understand their wish to reunite their country. Georgia instigated the attacks here but Russia has gone off the deep end with this one. If you honestly believe that Russia doesn't have any alterior motives bullying around Georgia, who used to be part of Russia not so long ago, then I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

of course the same people want to split iraq into 3 sections too.

I don't necessarily think this is a bad idea but it should be the decision of the Iraqi people. Besides I haven't heard anything regarding this idea since 2006 or so. I believe it passed senate but died somewhere else.

if we declared kosovo independant why cant ossetia be independant? russia said that would bite us in the ass and look now. we are always so quick to break up other nations but when it comes to our allies its not allowed"its illegal to do that in todays times"

WE, the United States, do not declare anyone independant. That is done with the home country and the United Nations. And it's not so much them being independant but rather them having sovereignty.

I really don't understand your or anyones hasty finger pointing.

Why is it when the United States goes into a territory our own countrymen scream and yell how horrible we are.

When we mind our own business and verbally berate Russia for invading a poor small country... our own countrymen say how horrible we are for siding with Georgia. Honestly what do you people want. You're unhappy if we stay out of conflict and you're unhappy if we go into conflict. The world is not a happy go lucky place we'd all like it to be.

No other country I've visited has been so self hating as some of my fellow Americans and this boggles me. Being a well versed Traveler I can say with all certainty.. America has one of the better governments in the world. If you don't believe me just travel around and I mean to more than England, Amsterdam or Spain. Try going to some really poor Eastern European countries and maybe you'll hate America a little less. Hell, try going to Russia, If possible stay with a real Russian family. I have and I did... and it was sad as hell. I'm sure the amount of corruption and lack of certain common freedoms would change anyones mind.

When did we lose our pride as Americans? I'm going to say somewhere around the Korean War or Vietnam war.

[RobPA]

I never said it was right. But by definition The American Indians never had a Sovereign Nation. America was not a sovereign land in 1492. Here's a list of other unrecognized countries: List of unrecognized countries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don't shoot the messenger. I don't make up international rules I just regurgitate the information. :hippy:



Why did we have the right to reunite our nation (civil war). They have really been in an idle civil war since 1992. If you want to take the high road then why are Russia or anyone for that matter interfere with another countries civil war?

Why would Ossetia who broke away from Russia go running back to them?

In either case... again I don't agree with it but I can understand their wish to reunite their country. Georgia instigated the attacks here but Russia has gone off the deep end with this one. If you honestly believe that Russia doesn't have any alterior motives bullying around Georgia, who used to be part of Russia not so long ago, then I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.



I don't necessarily think this is a bad idea but it should be the decision of the Iraqi people. Besides I haven't heard anything regarding this idea since 2006 or so. I believe it passed senate but died somewhere else.



WE, the United States, do not declare anyone independant. That is done with the home country and the United Nations. And it's not so much them being independant but rather them having sovereignty.

I really don't understand your or anyones hasty finger pointing.

Why is it when the United States goes into a territory our own countrymen scream and yell how horrible we are.

When we mind our own business and verbally berate Russia for invading a poor small country... our own countrymen say how horrible we are for siding with Georgia. Honestly what do you people want. You're unhappy if we stay out of conflict and you're unhappy if we go into conflict. The world is not a happy go lucky place we'd all like it to be.

No other country I've visited has been so self hating as some of my fellow Americans and this boggles me. Being a well versed Traveler I can say with all certainty.. America has one of the better governments in the world. If you don't believe me just travel around and I mean to more than England, Amsterdam or Spain. Try going to some really poor Eastern European countries and maybe you'll hate America a little less. Hell, try going to Russia, If possible stay with a real Russian family. I have and I did... and it was sad as hell. I'm sure the amount of corruption and lack of certain common freedoms would change anyones mind.

When did we lose our pride as Americans? I'm going to say somewhere around the Korean War or Vietnam war.

Wow, Great post :thumbsup: There are a couple of us left man, but it is real depressing seeing americans say things like this, boy are you right.

[psychocat]

WAs it? Then how do you explain Tribe Vs. Tribe warfare?? Are we to go back that far in history? They were killing each other over here even before we came, im not justifying what other countries did to the indians but its just the way it worked out.To Psychocat: Im sorry but all your statements are just screaming uninformed liberal,

You are so far wide of the mark about what you think I am that it makes the Grand Canyon look like a pencil line.
Please define liberal in your own words without resorting to a dictionary ?
Why do people still try to use the liberal label as some form of insult ?
It's kind of like when people can't think of anything and they decide "you know what , lets mention the Nazis", pathetic really.

has your country not followed us and assisted us in all the wars above?

Because my homeland decides to be Americas puppy does not mean I agree with them. As far as I'm concerned Tony Blair was a tosser and Gordon Brown is no better.
Do you take responsibility for all George Bush's decisions ?

How about we go back and look at some of the atrocities YOUR country has done? Massacreing scots? The Irish? Germania ? I dont wanna get to far off topic here but you see my point.
If your gonna bag on american Rhetoric, take a look at where your country stands, right next to us. Go Labour Party! :jointsmile::thumbsup:

What Britain has done in the past is condemned by the world at large and to be honest I couldn't care either way, I do however feel that if you condemn Britain for Scotland then you MUST condemn Georgia for it's behaviour towards Ossetia, otherwise you are guilty of hypocrisy.

I believe I have made my feelings clear regarding Mr Blair and his cronies .

[RobPA]

You are so far wide of the mark about what you think I am that it makes the Grand Canyon look like a pencil line.
Please define liberal in your own words without resorting to a dictionary ?
Why do people still try to use the liberal label as some form of insult ?
It's kind of like when people can't think of anything and they decide "you know what , lets mention the Nazis", pathetic really.



Because my homeland decides to be Americas puppy does not mean I agree with them. As far as I'm concerned Tony Blair was a tosser and Gordon Brown is no better.
Do you take responsibility for all George Bush's decisions ?



What Britain has done in the past is condemned by the world at large and to be honest I couldn't care either way, I do however feel that if you condemn Britain for Scotland then you MUST condemn Georgia for it's behaviour towards Ossetia, otherwise you are guilty of hypocrisy.

I believe I have made my feelings clear regarding Mr Blair and his cronies .

At this point it just seems we have totally opposite opinions on politics and social policy. I dont wish to "insult" you anymore so lets just agree to disagree. Its not a cop out but I really dont want to get into a debate over scottish History. And yes, I take some responsibility for Bush's action because I will admit that I did vote for him both elections. I look back and wish I hadent voted at all the second election. We are on opposite ends of the political spectrum. To answer your first question I would define a liberal as the party in your country called the Liberal Democrat party, since parties differ obviously between our 2 countries. I personally like Tony Blair and see him as a strong ally of the US, while you see it as the UK being our puppydog, I see them as being our Strong allies and friends. I would probably vote Tory Party(Con's) if I were in your country, planely because Labour leans a little to socialist to me, but not as much as the Liberal Dems, Although tony blair is labour he has shown a lot of independant qualities in the brit government and I cant really catagorize him as a socialist (which is why I would support labour over liberal-dem, hence why i made that go labour party comment in my earlier post). In closing I will agree to disagree with you and happy we share the same views on cannabis legalization and decriminalization in both our countries. :jointsmile:

[psychocat]

At this point it just seems we have totally opposite opinions on politics and social policy. I dont wish to "insult" you anymore so lets just agree to disagree. Its not a cop out but I really dont want to get into a debate over scottish History. And yes, I take some responsibility for Bush's action because I will admit that I did vote for him both elections. I look back and wish I hadent voted at all the second election. We are on opposite ends of the political spectrum. To answer your first question I would define a liberal as the party in your country called the Liberal Democrat party, since parties differ obviously between our 2 countries. I personally like Tony Blair and see him as a strong ally of the US, while you see it as the UK being our puppydog, I see them as being our Strong allies and friends. I would probably vote Tory Party(Con's) if I were in your country, planely because Labour leans a little to socialist to me, but not as much as the Liberal Dems, Although tony blair is labour he has shown a lot of independant qualities in the brit government and I cant really catagorize him as a socialist (which is why I would support labour over liberal-dem, hence why i made that go labour party comment in my earlier post). In closing I will agree to disagree with you and happy we share the same views on cannabis legalization and decriminalization in both our countries. :jointsmile:

I have absolutely no problem with anyone who doesn't agree with me , I rely on it that people will often disagree with me , I would hate a world where everyone agreed with me. I think in that kind of world I would definately go on a killing spree :rambohead:

BTW

I have no real political association, I hate all politicians for the scheming toads they are, I am neither liberal (as I DO support the death penalty) nor tory (I believe Maggie Thatcher was the worst PM ever) .
I am also no fan of labour , I have met Tony on a couple of occasions and I didn't ever like him , he was MP for the area where I grew up (Sedgefield) and I watched him rise from local councilor to the heady heights of 10 Downing Street.
He always gave me the feeling I was talking to a dodgy second-hand car dealer.

If you knew me better you would know
A . I hate all goverments for various reasons.
B . I am an anarchist in that I believe all rules should be scrapped and man left to is own devices.
C . I am viewed as something of a sociopath because I believe society only feeds upon the weak and in a dog eat dog world mankind would achieve the true balance only given by survival of the fittest.