Bush administration tries to have contraception defined as abortion

[Coelho]

America, land of the free... lol!

[GreenDestiny]

political agenda is really just the extreme perversion of religion... Since religious people make up the majority, the crazy influential extremists have greater chance to rise to power. Each religion, or denomination of a religion, interprets the law of "god" a bit differently but the main goal remains the same: to control our free will under the rule of their so-called biased morals.

I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to go as far as to make any sexual act illegal if the intention is not to conceive. The catholic church sorta has that stance... unless it's one of the things they have flip-flopped on in recent years.

Every month lots of unfertilized eggs get flushed from the female's body (the period), so wouldn't birth control be viewed as something to stop the natural abortion of eggs until you're ready to conceive? lol...

If things get bad enough to where contraception devices become illegal, like condoms, then we're gonna see an explosion in the number of STD's and unplanned pregnancies.

[birdgirl73]

This ideology terrifies me, too, and it's absurd that the Bush administration wants to restrict family planning in this way. They need to stay completely out of this, which should be a matter of privacy.

Just for the record, this proposed policy originally seemed to be aimed at the types of birth control that the religious right considers to be "abortive" in nature: those that stop the implantation of an already-fertilized egg. Chief among those would be the morning-after pill, aka Plan B emergency contraception. Under the broadened definition of abortion under this policy, though, even regular birth control pills could be considered abortive, which is crazy. They don't prevent fertilized eggs from being implanted. They prevent ovulation by tricking the female body into thinking it's already pregnant so it doesn't release eggs in the first place.

Under this proposed HHS policy, pharmacists and health care providers who opposed any type of contraception--strict Catholics, for instance--could refuse to write or fill prescriptions for any sorts of contraceptives. That's scary.

GreenDestiny, just as a matter of scientific record, the female body doesn't flush out unfertilized eggs during its monthly period. The period is where it sheds the lining of the uterus. Women release one mature ovum per month, generally--the ovaries on each side taking turns every other month. That ovum travels down the fallopian tubes and is either fertilized or, if it doesn't get fertilized, transforms into a hormonal-releasing cluster of cells (the corpus luteum) that send important hormonal signals to the woman's body. That corpus luteum gets reabsorbed by her body as it releases those hormones.

Just had to get that science on the record! I'm doing my obstetrical clerkship (rotation) right now, so all this is fresh in my mind. The politicians need to leave these policy decisions to be made by women and their doctors or nurse-practitioners.

[Nightcrewman]

That's why over here the vast majority of people think Bush and his cronies are a bunch of complete tossers.

NCM

[psychocat]

So um, would the "pull out" method fall under the "abortion" label? If so then I guess I am a baby killer now.

According to the text, after God had killed Onan's older brother Er, Judah asked Onan to have sex with Tamar, Er's widow, so that the offspring could be declared Er's heir. The narrative implies that Onan didn't object to the sex itself, but performed coitus interruptus, spilling his seed upon the ground, so that there wouldn't be any offspring he couldn't claim as his own; the passage goes on to state that for this act, a displeased God killed him.

Getting off before the station can really piss off god.

Following this strange logic means that every time you spank the monkey you are "killing babies".

[GreenDestiny]

GreenDestiny, just as a matter of scientific record, the female body doesn't flush out unfertilized eggs during its monthly period. The period is where it sheds the lining of the uterus. Women release one mature ovum per month, generally--the ovaries on each side taking turns every other month. That ovum travels down the fallopian tubes and is either fertilized or, if it doesn't get fertilized, transforms into a hormonal-releasing cluster of cells (the corpus luteum) that send important hormonal signals to the woman's body. That corpus luteum gets reabsorbed by her body as it releases those hormones.

Just had to get that science on the record! I'm doing my obstetrical clerkship (rotation) right now, so all this is fresh in my mind. The politicians need to leave these policy decisions to be made by women and their doctors or nurse-practitioners.

Thanks for the correction, what I'd been taught or heard/read was wrong then... old outdated info I suppose. I can feel the neural pathways updating in my head right now!

[rebgirl420]

This is one of the key things I disagree with Republicans right now. This is such unconstitutional bullshit. It is a womans right to do whatever she pleases to her own genitals and ovaries, abortion included.

I don't believe that birth control (the pill and such) is used enough!