Defending Cannabis

[JaySin]

I've been trying to defend the legalization of cannabis a lot lately. Yet no matter how many things I reveal to the non-believer, some of them refuse to change their mind. Well, most of them actually.

I'm defending it on another forum currently. Even though I have (with the help of others) dis-proven a lot of what the "brainwashed" (for lack of better terminology) people think, they continue to think the way they do as if they didn't even read what has been written out.

The same thing happened at work the other day. We got into talking about the government, which eventually turned to cannabis. So since I am such an advocate for the plant, It became a rather long debate. Yet everything that I pointed out about the plant, did not seem to sink into the non-believers head.

When it was all said and done, he still said that cannabis for medical purposes was a bunch of BS. He said that there is no way it could be as good as pharmaceuticals and the only reason anyone wants it legalized is so they can get high.

How often do all of you have to deal with such closed-minded people? It gets very frustrating to deal with. Especially when they make such ignorant statements like "it's a gateway drug".

JaySin Reviewed by JaySin on 08-03-2008. Defending Cannabis I've been trying to defend the legalization of cannabis a lot lately. Yet no matter how many things I reveal to the non-believer, some of them refuse to change their mind. Well, most of them actually. I'm defending it on another forum currently. Even though I have (with the help of others) dis-proven a lot of what the "brainwashed" (for lack of better terminology) people think, they continue to think the way they do as if they didn't even read what has been written out. The same thing Rating: 5

[killerweed420]

Sometimes when someone mentions that we just want to legalize weed to get high. I respond with" And is that such a bad thing to want to lighten your mood and just be happy. Is there something wrong with that? People use all kind of substances to feel good. Cigarettes,coffee,liquor and others.

[daihashi]

Just ask him "well why do people drink alcohol then?" because people are obviously drinking to get a buzz or to get drunk. Why is this acceptable as opposed to becoming intoxicated from cannabis? I find that using alcohol as a comparison really helps put things into perspective. Also many over the counter medications will get you high in large enough dosage and this is very dangerous. Point this out and how it really is something occuring among younger people.

How many people have died from cannabis compared to alcohol?

Really your angle of attack depends on the type of person you are talking to. Attack/Compare their bad/worst habits to cannabis use and it will become obvious that cannabis is really an innocent drug.

Anything like drinking, smoking, compulsive gambling, couch potato'ing, etc etc are all good candidates to argue against cannabis.

[TheMetal1]

he still said that cannabis for medical purposes was a bunch of BS. He said that there is no way it could be as good as pharmaceuticals and the only reason anyone wants it legalized is so they can get high.

That's pretty sweet... how long has your friend been a Doctor?

Those same people that swear Cannabis should be demonized and illegal, are the same people that will offer you an ice cold beer during a cookout... and probably not even stop you when you go to drive home later.
(I'm comfortable with stereotyping that :jointsmile

NOBODY has the justification to condemn Cannabis OR argue its' effectiveness/relevance in the medical field UNLESS:
-They are a doctor
-They are a scientist
-They are a patient who receives results from Cannabis
-They know a patient who receives results from Cannabis

Anyone else is simply talking out of their ass :stoned:

I mean, honestly, what other demographic can it be impossible to reason with... even when presented with testimony and science?
CHILDREN...... naive little children.

My suggestion... since you obviously hold a passion for the subject and a desire to shift the national perception of Cannabis... stop trying to persuade the ignorant. Spend your well thought energy on trying to appeal to the people that can actually DO something about toleration/legalization. Your stubborn friend, while a good practice subject, will just continue to frustrate you until they conquer their own personal demons and realize their misconceptions. This battle is going to be won in the courts and in the minds of the EDUCATED public. The rest of the idiots can just stand aside while the ADULTS come to an agreement that will stop prosecuting non-violent criminals for simply trying to seek symptom relief.

But yeah... government regulation has obviously limited supply to the scientific community, which has stalled most all effective studies on the subject of medical Cannabis.
In all honesty, your "friend/co-worker" that seems to think that he can side step years of thorough scientific study and announce that Cannabis holds ZERO medical use and should be illegal... well... to put it nicely...
He needs to SHUT THE FUCK UP! :thumbsup:

[JaySin]

It doesn't bother me then anyone in particular sees things like he does. It just amazes me that some people can be so thick-headed on something. I know that it doesn't do much to help the cause to talk to people like him, but I try to educate as many people as possible on the subject. That way when the time comes, maybe there will be a few more people that realize the benefits and vote for cannabis instead of against it.

I feel that I was able to come up with very good points in return to anything he had to say bad about cannabis. It's just that he is so stuck on what the media tells him, that he wont change his views on it. He even used to be an avid smoker and I have toked with him on several occasions.

[TheMetal1]

He even used to be an avid smoker and I have toked with him on several occasions.

I think this will help you understand this type of person:
Define: Idiot - Google Search
Define: Hypocrite - Google Search
Define: Asshole - Google Search
Urban Dictionary: Cock Blocker (replace reference to female human w/ Mary Jane :jointsmile
Define: Imbecile - Google Search
Define: Douche bag - Google Search

Ok... now I'm getting childish, but you get the point. :jointsmile:

[melodious fellow]

Enter Ignoramous, begins bitching about cannabis.

Me: Do you drink energy drinks, coffee, or alcohol? Eat fast food? Take prescription anti-depressants or pain killers, sleep medicines, aspirin etc? Smoke cigarettes, any other forms of nicotine? Give your cat catnip? Rambles on...

I usually tell people that they need to educate themselves and then cme back and talk to me.

[jimmy8778]

i too have actually been thinking rather heavily into the reasons why MJ isnt legal, and i was thinking of some good reasons, that you don't hear so often, but still make a good point.

if you think about it, the "War on Drugs" has been a failure, the other drugs that are being targeted are more available than ever before, and MJ has been used atleast once by a "reported" 42% of US citizens, not to mention the many who have gone unnoticed due to fear of someone finding out.

and then not to mention, who decided that MJ was so bad, i realize that the law makers of the time made the law, but really, who decided that they were going to attack the most harmless of the psychoactive plants?

and not only that, but in a "free" country, why is there such a fear of doing everything, not to mention something that doesnt affect other people, they could make it illegal to use in public, that would remove the second hand smoke factor of it.

there are other positives to makeing MJ legal. If it were legal, then there would be a huge demand for said plant, requiring large scale growing practices, and no matter when, there would always be a demand, so growing would be a very good thing for the environment in the sense that increased growing is better for the environment, kinda like planting christmas trees, they grow until they are mature, then cut, and replanted. Growing plants release more oxygen than mature plants, and MJ plants would be constantly grown, creating an oxygen rich atmosphere again, and help to defer the CO2 levels.

also, the plant is completly useable. The buds can be smoked, the fibers used for paper, rope, pretty much anything hemp, and the unused portions of fiber and plant material can be composted, which can then be remixed back into the soil foundations for the plants, a sort of never-ending cycle of nutrients, the ultimate recycler, everything is used, and reused, eternally if given the proper conditions.

less crime around MJ itself, you would no longer have to deal with dealers who may deal other drugs, and may be harmful to communties, taking power out of their hands.

taxation on anything relating to hemp, or MJ, not a large tax, but an exise tax none-the-less, would bring billions into the federal reserves, and we could finally buy the US back from China.

and if MJ is legal, prisons are less crowded, the legal system is freed up for real legal cases, all the time spent creating drug legislation for MJ would be better used for fixing real problems like social security, or universal healthcare.

and if everyone is high, legally, then people will be calmer, police would be more respected, i really only hate police due to their ignorance, some are cool, but agreeing to uphold the law, whether some do or dont, its not a form of protest for a cop not to bust you, even if a cop doesnt arrest you it is still illegal, and you could still get in trouble, a terrible waste of valuable resources that we dont really have right now.

and more, im done my rant. And getting high is what the medicine is, just like how you cant truely explain to someone who has never been high what being high is like, you cant explain how getting high is medicine until you try it for that purpose, because its the "high" feeling that eases the pain, relaxes us, stimulates appitie, and a multitude of discovered and undiscovered uses. Not to mention pure fun, it is a hobby of mine, and i am proud to say that i smoke for fun, and it helps me relax, i use it for a dual purpose, and i dont feel i should be prosecuted any different no matter what context i use it for.

[jimmy8778]

that was my 420th post above this, it was a good one too.

[TheMetal1]

who decided that MJ was so bad, i realize that the law makers of the time made the law, but really, who decided that they were going to attack the most harmless of the psychoactive plants?

See:
Harry Anslinger - Google Search

It is a sad story of a desperate man... afraid that his future was going nowhere due to the repeal of alcohol prohibition.

(coughs*ASSHOLE*)