This is a test. Different harvest times and parts of the plant.

[Rusty Trichome]

With regards to flashes of light during dark period...

You sure? I hear people keep saying that, but I do it anyway. There's grows when I haven't done it, and some that I have, and I've never noticed a difference.

Are you really sure it's a good idea to have newbies reading this, and possibly screwing-up their grow? IMHO, Not a very responsible approach.

Well unless the book I read wasn't telling the truth, back in the hippie day it was more common to see people letting their plants bud for ages after normal harvest times. I don't find this too hard to believe, but perhaps this experiment will help us gain some insight to the truth. I had a plant bud for about 8 months after I tried to revert it to veg. It didn't grow real fast, but it kept making buds, not nanners, until it decided it was time to stop that nonsense and start vegging.

Whatever...I am one of those from the "hippie days", and I'm curious how your book says we kept the sun co-operating for 8 months of flower. We didn't have the HID's like now-a-days. Common to use was Mercury vapor and halogen...Too hot, and wrong spectrums...so I'm kinda curious to hear how we pulled this off...Seriously...a direct quote. I'm curious how this works.

I'm not sure what you mean by stressing or fucking with. Do you mean the one small test bud I took off each plant, or the stress caused by the first harvest? I suppose you are right, maybe, a little, but these varieties never seem to get stressed with topping or cutting. However if you just compare day 52 in dirt to day 45 in hydro, there is a huge difference in favor of the hydro. This is before any conceivable stress. And since you say that you missed the point, here it is again: Experimentation. When I hear favorable reports of ways of doing things that are different than my own, I often like to try them for myself. Sometimes I share it with others.

I have never had anything against experimentation. I often do it myself.
One tiny test bud is obviously not at all what I'm talking about. Nor is a single or multiple instance of topping. (but that is done in veg, not flower) If you keep removing the 'largest' mature buds, and leave the rest to flower, there will be a tipping-point where she kicks it into emergency propogation mode. (hormonal imbalance?) Likely, she starts throwing-out nanners.
Yes, there is a big difference between the hydro-grown plants, and soil grown. The hydro tastes like Cannabis-Light in comparison. Not an insult to you, Opie, just my observations. Don't like my opinion...? Oh well...I don't prefer smoking hydro-grown plants.

Well, I still don't understand. As far as I've seen, hydro makes the buds less fluffy, not more. It's also much easier to get rid of any weird taste in hydro, and the equipment doesn't have to be any more crazy than a container and an air stone. And what chemicals? All nutrients are made of chemicals, whether you feed them to dirt plants or hydro plants. If for some reason you're worried about pharmaceutical nutrients, you could use all organic. I too have a separate veg and flower area, and I could easily transport my hydro plants to another location if I wanted too. Years back I started with a couple dirt grows, then when I switched to a simple container and air stone, the leaves of the same variety grew twice as big and yields roughly doubled. I'm not trying to argue or get anyone to switch to hydro, I'm simply sharing my experiences. I agree that it doesn't get much simpler than dirt farming.

Whatever. You want to toot your own horn...? Go right ahead.
But my reasoning stands, and I'll stick with what has been sucessful for myself, (and others) for many years, and let you tell everyone how bitchen your techniques are, and how superior your knowledge is.
My main concern is, that what you type, newbies read...and with your flippant attitudes, hopefully you aren't teaching failure to those newbies.

[Opie Yutts]

With regards to flashes of light during dark period...

Are you really sure it's a good idea to have newbies reading this, and possibly screwing-up their grow? IMHO, Not a very responsible approach.

I don't see anything irresponsible about sharing my experiences. Maybe it's just my problem with authority, or people saying "this is the way it is, period", but I like to test things for myself. I wasn't suggesting people try abnormal grow methods, but I do suggest people question authority. If someone reads something new or different to try, and then they try it and is screws stuff up, who's fault is it? Is it the fault of the author for suggesting something out of the norm, or is it the fault of the grower for not taking the time to research the proper methods. If I write, "people have always told me not to rob banks, but I did it and it was great", then someone reads it and robs a bank, and it doesn't work out for them, is that my fault? I know it's hard for some people, but I still expect them to use a little judgment and take responsibility for the things they decide to do.

Whatever...I am one of those from the "hippie days", and I'm curious how your book says we kept the sun co-operating for 8 months of flower. We didn't have the HID's like now-a-days. Common to use was Mercury vapor and halogen...Too hot, and wrong spectrums...so I'm kinda curious to hear how we pulled this off...Seriously...a direct quote. I'm curious how this works.

When I have some time I'll look for the book. It's deep in the midst of one of the many stacks of junk.

If you keep removing the 'largest' mature buds, and leave the rest to flower, there will be a tipping-point where she kicks it into emergency propogation mode. (hormonal imbalance?) Likely, she starts throwing-out nanners.

No nanners yet, we'll see.

Yes, there is a big difference between the hydro-grown plants, and soil grown. The hydro tastes like Cannabis-Light in comparison. Not an insult to you, Opie, just my observations. Don't like my opinion...? Oh well...I don't prefer smoking hydro-grown plants.

Opinions, like experiences can't be wrong, and I neither like or dislike them. Each to his own, and I'm glad you found a grow method that works for your situation. The fact that hydro plants grow more, bigger, stronger, and faster is pretty much undisputed. This experiment of mine has helped to prove it, at least to me. That itself is worth every bit of time and money I have spent on this, even if I end up with nothing but a big pile of male flowers. It's hard for me to understand how you can like the taste of soil weed better, when with hydro you can eliminate all of the taste except for what is inherent to the strain. You can't do that with dirt plants, unless they get nothing but water for something like the entire bud cycle (depending). Hmmm, maybe it's the extra stuff left in soil plants that you are liking the taste of.

Whatever. You want to toot your own horn...? Go right ahead.
But my reasoning stands, and I'll stick with what has been sucessful for myself, (and others) for many years, and let you tell everyone how bitchen your techniques are, and how superior your knowledge is.
My main concern is, that what you type, newbies read...and with your flippant attitudes, hopefully you aren't teaching failure to those newbies.

Wow, a little hostile today are we? Where did I toot my horn? Where did I say my techniques are bitchen, or my knowledge was superior to yours, or anyone else's for that matter? Where was my attitude flippant? And where did I teach failure to noobs? Once again, I'm sharing my experiences. Rusty you and I have always got along. I don't understand the attitude.

[Opie Yutts]

Weezard, I like your questioning attitude. We need more weed-specific experiments. I have pages of them I keep adding to, and I'm about ready to post them.

[Opie Yutts]

A thought: What about lightning in the middle of night? Kinda like a camera flash I suppose. Do all plants exposed to lightning at night go into nanner mode?

[SnSstealth]

experimentation is the base of science...
WT

[PlantHeadJ]

Rusty it sounds like you are stuck in a box, and not the female variety either, which may be your problem.

Opie, Thanks for sharing your findings. I am always trying things and testing stuff. I believe nothing until I see it with my own eyes, plant wise of course. Keep it up! Great Thread!
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[Weezard]

A thought: What about lightning in the middle of night? Kinda like a camera flash I suppose. Do all plants exposed to lightning at night go into nanner mode?

Had not thought of that!

Oh, Geeze! no sleep for the Weeze.

Didn't you hear the innocent bystanders when dey pointed at me and said?
"See dat guy ovah dere? Don't give him any ideas!"
Good point though!

So, occasional flashes probably won't do much harm.
I can back that logic up with a fact or two.

Have had both timer and human errors that delayed the girl's bedtime by as much as 2 hours. Did try to offset, by delayin their wake-up.
Kept the night at 12H. by shoring a little off their next day.
They forgave me.

They must, evidently, be quite flexible, 'cause nature is a little sloppy.
I'm sure they get shaded on occasion. And I know they can have 2 or 3 very dark and stormy days in a row, punctuated by lightning.

Still " A collection of anecdote does not constitute science".
Still waiting for someone with the time, resources and med surplus to jump in here and propose an experiment for each theory/pipe dream.

Hawaii is quite strict about the number of plants allowed to each "blue card" . Can't afford the "risky" experiments myself until I have my med. supply handled.

Keep thinkin' OY. I like the way you do dat.

Aloha nui,
WZ

[Weezard]

Rusty it sounds like you are stuck in a box, and not the female variety either, which may be your problem.

Opie, Thanks for sharing your findings. I am always trying things and testing stuff. I believe nothing until I see it with my own eyes, plant wise of course. Keep it up! Great Thread!
P

Funny!

In his defense. Rusty Trichome is a fund of information and advice for the conventional/conservative grower.

The man is just doing what he knows well and what works adequately
You want old school knowledge and experience, you'll do very well with his advice.

That said, there are way too many old wives tales, myths and legends.
Things getting done because, "that's the way we've always done it"!
with no science to justify doing it "that way"

Them that can afford to challenge established methods and take the risks to prove them, or not, are, in my book, benefactors to this art/science.


General Disclaimer:

Risk no resource based on my ramblings. I'm just thinking out loud here.
I'm no expert. Hell, I was barely ever a pert.


Play safe,
Weezard,

[Opie Yutts]

In his defense. Rusty Trichome is a fund of information and advice for the conventional/conservative grower.

The man is just doing what he knows well and what works adequately
You want old school knowledge and experience, you'll do very well with his advice.

True. We love you Rusty.

[SnSstealth]

I have pages of them I keep adding to, and I'm about ready to post them.

Im interested in any and all experiments you have going and await there posting. your research is greatly appreciated.:thumbsup: