This is a test. Different harvest times and parts of the plant.

[Rusty Trichome]

I read years back that some people bud a plant for years, though I canâ??t find anything about it on the boards. Anyone?

Not true. You can veg a plant for years, tho. Over-ripening (extra weeks in flower) is one of the techniques used, to force nanners.

First off Iâ??m not used to dirt farming and am noticing, well, less stuff. Less weed, less trichomes, much less density and stickyness in the bud department.

Fucking with the the ladies throughout flowering is likely not helping. I missed the point of why you would keep injuring your plant thru the (arguably) most critical part of the grow? If you keep stressing her, of course the results will be questionable.

Personally, since I grow for my wife and I, I'd never do anything but a soil grow. With hydro-grown plants, I don't like the fluffiness of the buds, the weird taste, nor the crazy equipment and chemicals used. Since I veg and flower at two different locations, it would simply be a pain in the ass not worth the effort.

Rusty Trichome Reviewed by Rusty Trichome on 08-11-2008. This is a test. Different harvest times and parts of the plant. Day 47 For once Iâ??m going to try a harvest the right way. From my understanding this means taking different parts of the plant at different times. Not all buds get ripe at the same time, and someone correct me if Iâ??m wrong but normally the buds closest to the light mature faster. Some people go so far as to do a perpetual harvest, where they harvest for months, letting the lower and less mature parts of the plant grow some before harvesting them. I read years back that some people bud a Rating: 5

[SnSstealth]

Actually RT...I had a JH mom that I flowered. Just kept cutting her down from the top, about 25% of the plant at a time...went a good six months, could've gone longer, but I needed the room...you can harvest a flowering plant many times...
whiskeytango

[Rusty Trichome]

Actually RT...I had a JH mom that I flowered. Just kept cutting her down from the top, about 25% of the plant at a time...went a good six months, could've gone longer, but I needed the room...you can harvest a flowering plant many times...
whiskeytango

Hmm...Perhaps I did my little experiment wrong, but net results were sub-standard, foliage was weirding-out, undergrowth was a dead-zone, and new-growth quality was strewtchy crap. Add that to the picking-off of nanners, and the stress of nitrogen defeciencies and soil ph issues...made me realize very quiclky, I don't care for the technique.
But re-vegging is another story entirely. I've got a couple of vegging ladies that are 8 growth cycles old, (flowered 7 times) and still going strong.

Since you've done it, do you still use any part of the prepeptual harvest technique, SnS? Do you have any tips you can give Opie to point-out what he'll need to watch for? What works, what doesn't...?

[SnSstealth]

I only budded it out for about 8 months...not sure about years. I didnt do anything special except chop 30% off the top and dropped the light...It gave me 3 good harvests...
whiskeytango

[Opie Yutts]

I harvested the 2nd (and main) batch of buds yesterday. On the BBxNL I cut everything off except about the bottom 20% of foliage/buds. Iâ??m still not sure about this 3rd stage of the harvest. A lot of little buds, but weâ??ll see if they grow out much more. I kind of doubt itâ??s going to be worth the electricity, since it seemed like the plants pretty much stopped growing. I took all of the AK since she was yellowing quite a bit and she didnâ??t appear to be growing anymore. One of the most pitiful plants Iâ??ve ever grown.

Iâ??ve got weed, and it gets me high, and that makes me happy. Iâ??m pretty much disappointed in resin production and bud density compared to what Iâ??m used to. Like I mentioned, I normally harvest between day 45 and 47 of flowering, and that is at about 10% amber trichomes. Now at day 61 I have about 3% amber, and maybe half the resin and half the bud density. Iâ??ve done everything exactly the same as in hydro, except for feeding them some extra food to help make up for the lack of uptake in soil. I was wondering if I should let them go even longer, but they are now growing extremely slow, if at all.

The first batch is dried and weighed, and including the 3 initial test buds the score so far is BBxNL: 39.9 grams (1.41 oz), and AK-47: 5.9 grams (0.21 oz). Iâ??m guessing this main batch will be about 2 oz of BBxNL and 3/4 oz of AK, but of course weâ??ll have to wait until itâ??s dry.

Photo 1: Before this round of cutting
Photo 2: Whatâ??s left
Photo 3: The 2nd batch of BBxNL
Photo 4: The 2nd batch of AK-47 (I know, itâ??s huge)

[Opie Yutts]

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[Opie Yutts]

I'm thinking about 13 hours dark and say 18 hours light on a rotating cycle.
Whuddaya think???

Weeze

That is interesting. For some reason I just always thought I should be keeping my plants on some kind of schedule that adds up to 24 hours. Did I read that somewhere? Are you suggesting a 31 hour cycle? I've thought their internal clock needed to be set to roughly a day, but now I'm wondering. Anyone?

[Opie Yutts]

You can really mess with a plant just by taking a flash photo in the middle of the night.

You sure? I hear people keep saying that, but I do it anyway. There's grows when I haven't done it, and some that I have, and I've never noticed a difference.

[Opie Yutts]

Not true. You can veg a plant for years, tho. Over-ripening (extra weeks in flower) is one of the techniques used, to force nanners.

Well unless the book I read wasn't telling the truth, back in the hippie day it was more common to see people letting their plants bud for ages after normal harvest times. I don't find this too hard to believe, but perhaps this experiment will help us gain some insight to the truth. I had a plant bud for about 8 months after I tried to revert it to veg. It didn't grow real fast, but it kept making buds, not nanners, until it decided it was time to stop that nonsense and start vegging.

Fucking with the the ladies throughout flowering is likely not helping. I missed the point of why you would keep injuring your plant thru the (arguably) most critical part of the grow? If you keep stressing her, of course the results will be questionable.

I'm not sure what you mean by stressing or fucking with. Do you mean the one small test bud I took off each plant, or the stress caused by the first harvest? I suppose you are right, maybe, a little, but these varieties never seem to get stressed with topping or cutting. However if you just compare day 52 in dirt to day 45 in hydro, there is a huge difference in favor of the hydro. This is before any conceivable stress. And since you say that you missed the point, here it is again: Experimentation. When I hear favorable reports of ways of doing things that are different than my own, I often like to try them for myself. Sometimes I share it with others.

Personally, since I grow for my wife and I, I'd never do anything but a soil grow. With hydro-grown plants, I don't like the fluffiness of the buds, the weird taste, nor the crazy equipment and chemicals used. Since I veg and flower at two different locations, it would simply be a pain in the ass not worth the effort.

Well, I still don't understand. As far as I've seen, hydro makes the buds less fluffy, not more. It's also much easier to get rid of any weird taste in hydro, and the equipment doesn't have to be any more crazy than a container and an air stone. And what chemicals? All nutrients are made of chemicals, whether you feed them to dirt plants or hydro plants. If for some reason you're worried about pharmaceutical nutrients, you could use all organic. I too have a separate veg and flower area, and I could easily transport my hydro plants to another location if I wanted too. Years back I started with a couple dirt grows, then when I switched to a simple container and air stone, the leaves of the same variety grew twice as big and yields roughly doubled. I'm not trying to argue or get anyone to switch to hydro, I'm simply sharing my experiences. I agree that it doesn't get much simpler than dirt farming.

[Weezard]

That is interesting. For some reason I just always thought I should be keeping my plants on some kind of schedule that adds up to 24 hours. Did I read that somewhere? Are you suggesting a 31 hour cycle? I've thought their internal clock needed to be set to roughly a day, but now I'm wondering. Anyone?

Well, that's what got me to wondering.
I've read that most plants are happy with 21 -27 hour cycles. 31 is, admittedly, pushing it.
Like you, I just have to :weedpoke:, to see if there is merit.

"Just 'cause it's writ down, don't make it a fact"
Fer instance;
I've had old timers tell me the LED growing is a scam and could never work.
I know just enough physics and electronics to say "why not?"
So, tried it. Not only works! Beats the pants off CFLs!

And, like RT I was a hydro sceptic.
Some say yea, some say nay.
So, tried DWC.
First with Basil, then with catnip.
Holy crap!
So, I invested some. er, tomato beans.
As you, no doubt, already know, I'm :dance: with joy.

This encourages me to try some of the nuttier sounding ideas.
Usually as little side experiments for proof of concept.
Won't get too radical until this crop is done and my jars are packed.
When I was researching Pulsed light, I came across the information
about um, (Phytochrome?), argh, can't remember the details.

But basically it says that exposure to light creates an enzyme that prevents flowering.
Said enzyme only lives for around 12 hours without the light.
So, it's the length of the dark period that triggers flowering!

The paper also stated that a few milliseconds were enough to pump in energy, create starches, produce enzymes, etc.
Now whether a few flashes will cook-up enough enzyme to retard flowering, I do not know, yet.
Just because a plant can photsynthesise using short "sun flecks " does not mean a few short pulses will produce enough enzyme to screw with flowering ."
When I said "can really mess with a plant", I should have said "may".
It was speculation based on undigested information.
Sorry 'bout that.
How much, and when?

I'm guessing that there's a threshold amount of light and that it makes a difference how long the pulse is . And probably whether you flash just after lights out, or in the middle of their sleep.
That made me think about "planting by phase of the moon as a function, not of tides, but more how much nightlight an seedling gets in it's first two weeks and if/how that affects the characteristics of the mature plant.
Sure would justify the printing of all those Farmer's Almanacs, ya?

So many things to try, so little time.

Saw that ?420 left you a visitor message looking for an experiment.
I'm always thinkin' 'bout more crap than I can possibly do, so, next time feel free to sic 'em on me.

From one :weedpoke: to another.
Weezard