Hey, I was just browsing around and I stumbled on your thread, I can tell you that I have ordered from the company you were refering to in your first post. They had a sale going on, where, it was 20 feminized ww for 25$, I recieved them in 7 days. I've put 4 to work last week, so far only one has started. I thought their shipping was discreet, though not particularly stealthy. I hope this helps.