well, it sounds as if we've both read all the rules of thumb so far.

i guess it really is just up to experience, trial/error, etc...anyshit, the large plant was from seed planted on 4/20/2008. I can't straighten it out completely because of the low stress training (lst) on the bottom few inches of the stem. i did notice when i transplanted that it didn't have a strong root system. so my idea is that it needs much more veg. i think i will take about 40% cutting from it and try to root them. (should i use a dome - greenhouse method?). i agree about the experience. i mean, i would like it to be female but this is just prepping me for the white lable 'white skunk' and some 'aurora indica' im patiently waiting on. i wanna have my chops down for sure in this room to make those boutique seeds a sucess.

guys, thanks for all the help. :rasta: