Quote Originally Posted by vapefiend
Here are two more reasons-1)It costs considerably more than you need to pay. 2)It only fills bags. Funny how Volcano fans never mention this rather big drawback vs. the competition. Personally, after sucking bags for a while, I long for some vapor rich hits, and no matter how much you load in the 'cano herb chamber, direct draw always has the potential for a higher vapor/air ratio. You can't get around the physics.

Sorry, but you have no way of knowing the profit margins of all the vapes on the market. And as for S&B's rules on a low price, I specifically asked them about a dealer (and warranty status)last year who was selling about $140 below their $539 price. Their answer was that they would absolutely honor the warranty. Also, Volcano Vaporizer Direct has been selling them considerably below the standard price for 5 years now, via the 'special offer' link on his site.

You'll conserve vs. smoking, but vs. other vaporizers the Volcano's nothing special in the efficiency dept.

This is an argument for vapes in general. There are no exclusive health benefits to the Volcano.

I spent much less on the herbalAire, and after nearly three years, I have had no issues.

People don't make a habit of starting a thread just to say the 'cano is overpriced, but I've seen that opinion in many posts.

That's often true, but with high end products what you get for the extra money isn't always 'value'. If you want a reliable and cost efficient car, you'll always be better off with a Honda or Toyota vs. a high priced but not so reliable or cheap to operate Mercedes or Jaguar. Does a Rolex keep time better than a Timex?

If you use a lot, why not go for a vape that's more efficient than the 'cano? The herbalAire is one, as far as direct competition in the bag dept. I won't compare direct draw vapes in efficiency (apples and oranges) but there is one for certain that's much more efficient. The Volcano does not 'rule' in the efficiency dept.

I've seen first hand-a Volcano just quit working. So what? Any vape can break. The Volcano is very reliable, but so are some other good brand names. Your implication that anything but the 'cano will crap out is, IMO, just that-crap.

The only reason I can think of as to why so many Volcano owners have to make these 'justification posts', is to defend the price they paid. The vape market is far different than it was 5 or 10 years ago. A lot of good models are available now. It's not just the 'cano, Vapor Brothers, and some crappy conduction units anymore. The competition is much stiffer now, while all S & B has done is come out with the Digit to jump on the digital bandwagon-$130 more and a year less on the warranty.

The Volcano is an excellent vaporizer, but I've seen quite a few owners get tired of the boring bag, and either sell it and buy a direct draw unit, or simply buy an additional vape to get the vapor rich hits that no bag can provide. I've also seen that the more a person investigates the vaporizer market, the less likely they are to buy a Volcano.
1. It costs more because they have done the most work and research to ensure you're getting the most vapor in the safest manner.

2. No shit it only fills bags. Who wants to sit there and hold some tube while their bud touches some heating element, the residual effects of which have never been tested. Funny how you failed to even once mention anything about how extensively the Volcano has been tested and published and proven whereas your cheaper vaporizers have not so when you say that THIS product or THAT product is better cause it's cheaper...PROVE IT!! Storz & Bickel have.
CCRMG
MAPS/CaNORML vaporizer and waterpipe studies
http://www.cannabis-studyhouse.com/2...al_studies.pdf
Plus studies that S&B independently did in their own R&D. Contact them for information.
Plus I rather walk around the house with my bag while I'm doing stuff rather than be forced to sit there with some tube.

3. I don't know what Volcano you ever vaped from because I get EXTREMELY "vapor rich hits" at the correct temperatures. Temperature settings, quality of bud, how fine its grinded...all things that will affect how much vapor you get in the bag. I can make a 10ft bag if I wanted to. Yeah you have other vapes that have the combo of bag/draw but then we go back to WHERE ARE THE TESTS to prove that nothing else in the manufacturing of that product has any harmful effect on the user. Are you with me so far? Good.:rastasmoke:

4. You're right I don't know all the profit margins on vapes but common sense tells me that people generally like spending less therefore well duhh cheaper vapes will sell more.

5. I NEVER said that S&B wouldn't honor a warranty...????????? Sure other places might offer the Volcano at lower prices but they're most likely doing it against S&B's wishes which isn't good business but yeah no shit they'll honor the warranty.

6. I NEVER said the Volcano's conservation capabilities were superior to any other vape in the "efficiency dept"????

7. There is an "exclusive health benefit"...IT'S BEEN PROVEN.

8. Rolex and Timex comparison...wtf?? Sorry but watches dont go into your bloodstream and effect your body & mind. We are talking about vaporizers.

9. The Volcano isn't overpriced if you buy a used one genius.

10. I NEVER implied that anything but the Volcano would "crap out". My thing is if you are going to stricly vaporize and ONLY vaporize and want the BEST, get a Volcano, even if it's used. If you just want a vaporizer to have a vaporizer, sure get some cheap one, opinions are like a$$holes, everyones got one.

11. You say the competition is stiffer but it's not. The sales speak for themselves. How many other vaporizers have sold over 60,000 to date?? Please tell me.

12. There is a reason that the only upgrade they've had is the Volcano Digit....the Volcano Classic is so damn good that they didn't need to do too much more. Yeah 1 year less on warranty but that's because it's new, obviously is a new design and hasn't been out as long as the Classic so they don't know the lifespan yet but Classics are reliable tanks so I'm sure Digits are just the same. Plus S&B have said in interviews that the next step is something smaller, perhaps more portable. Remember the saying.. IF IT ISN'T BROKEN, DON'T FIX IT.:thumbsup:

13. Once again, I get EXTREMELY "vapor rich hits" from my Volcano. I've owned quite a few box/direct draw and my experience is they are NOT AS GOOD when compared to the quality of my Volcano vapor. That's just me. I'm not saying this as fact or holy scripture man.

14. I think the more a person investigates the vapor market, the more likely they will see how nothing truly stands up to the Volcano yet. Tell you what, once I see a study comparing the vapor densities and complete contents of their draw/bag then I might believe you when you tell me that draw gets more vapor/thc.

To finish, I'll just reiterate and copy/paste lines from my last post that vapefiend failed to mention or put in his post...."However this is also the opinion of over 60,000 other people (units sold via S&B interview).........
When other vaporizer companies start running extensive tests, R&D, and published studies then MAYBE I'd consider them........I'm not bashing other vapes.....There is no other vape with the reputation, performance , sales, scientific proof, and durability than the Volcano ...PERIOD"

In conclusion, I suggest everyone do your own research and get the vaporizer that is RIGHT FOR YOU! For example, as much as I rave about the Volcano, I'm looking into possibly getting a portable vape so I have something for on the road and when I go out. Therefore I will most likely entrust my money to some company that makes a portable vape even though it hasn't been through the same process that the Volcano has. Thus, I'm not excluding other vaporizers from peoples choices. It's just that my opinion and research leads me to the end conclusion that so far, the only proof out there is that the Volcano produces the best, safest vape with a reliable, strong unit. To each their own. I need to vape now....some Northern Lights at 369 farenheit sounds delicious. :hippy: